The Right of U.S Citizens to Vote - page 2

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  1. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    You must prove citizenship in order to register to vote in every state.
    Not in Wisconsin. It says you have to be a citizen, but the only proof required is a Wisconsin drivers license or state ID and there is no requirement one be a US citizen to get either if those.

    Voter Registration in Wisconsin | DMV.org
  2. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    Not in Wisconsin. It says you have to be a citizen, but the only proof required is a Wisconsin drivers license or state ID and there is no requirement one be a US citizen to get either if those.

    Voter Registration in Wisconsin | DMV.org
    Interesting.

    There must be a huge problem with illegal immigrants voting in Wisconsin then. That's what we are supposed to believe, right? Isn't that the Trump line of thinking, that millions of illegals voted but not for him? We should probably investigate Wisconsin voter registration and voting records, right?

    I'm one of those people who believes that we should be registered to vote at birth and that such registration should be national.
  3. by   Extra Pickles
    History shows us that one of the most effective ways of controlling and coercing large masses of people is to tell them how they are being cheated, how their lot in life is the fault of other groups of people and that there is a massive problem that is created by those other groups of people, even when there is no evidence to support those statements. The propaganda meisters, whose agenda has nothing to do with the "problem" at hand, continue to point to a major problem that they can fix by placing tight restrictions and controls on those groups of people. Does this sound familiar to anyone who has read history books?
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Extra Pickles
    History shows us that one of the most effective ways of controlling and coercing large masses of people is to tell them how they are being cheated, how their lot in life is the fault of other groups of people and that there is a massive problem that is created by those other groups of people, even when there is no evidence to support those statements. The propaganda meisters, whose agenda has nothing to do with the "problem" at hand, continue to point to a major problem that they can fix by placing tight restrictions and controls on those groups of people. Does this sound familiar to anyone who has read history books?
    Sounds to me like a tactic from both the right and the left at times.

    Fearmongering works both way.

    When I first became more involved in online banter, so to speak, I was a neophyte in many ways. Initially I would simply either immediately signal agreement or disagreement with something before actually doing a bit of research first. I was caught many times with my proverbial foot in my mouth.

    (It can still happen ).

    The other issue is we all have confirmation bias at work. And we need to be honest about that as well.
  5. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Sounds to me like a tactic from both the right and the left at times.

    Fearmongering works both way.

    When I first became more involved in online banter, so to speak, I was a neophyte in many ways. Initially I would simply either immediately signal agreement or disagreement with something before actually doing a bit of research first. I was caught many times with my proverbial foot in my mouth.

    (It can still happen ).

    The other issue is we all have confirmation bias at work. And we need to be honest about that as well.
    That is a truth right there, we all have bias and prejudices at play. The differences lie in whether we can self reflect enough to understand that and how we operate in society with those biases.

    Yesterday Trump have us another peek into his world view which includes telling a non white male to sit down and implying that the black reporter was friends with members of the CBC, presumably because she is black.

    The White House occupant is a bigoted and not very smart narcissist.
  6. by   Extra Pickles
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Sounds to me like a tactic from both the right and the left at times.
    It was actually a very successful tactic of the Third Reich in 1930s Germany. That is the history to which I am referring, and I'm watching unfold in front of us now. They were masters of the Big Lie Theory, meaning that if one repeats a lie frequently enough and it is outrageously false, people will believe it much faster than a smaller lie you might expect would get slipped in unnoticed.

    No, massive lies told over and over, lies that preyed on people's fears, preyed on people's prejudices and their desire to improve their lot in life, blame others for where they are is what created Hitler's rise to power. What we have been watching for months isn't a Democrat thing or a Republican thing, it's a fascist, Nazi thing. Don't believe it? Read the books.
  7. by   MunoRN
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    Not in Wisconsin. It says you have to be a citizen, but the only proof required is a Wisconsin drivers license or state ID and there is no requirement one be a US citizen to get either if those.

    Voter Registration in Wisconsin | DMV.org
    While a driver's license is used to facilitate the registration process, it doesn't replace it, the Wisconsin Elections Commission still verifies that you legal to vote (citizen status, felon status, etc).
  8. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Interesting.

    There must be a huge problem with illegal immigrants voting in Wisconsin then. That's what we are supposed to believe, right? Isn't that the Trump line of thinking, that millions of illegals voted but not for him? We should probably investigate Wisconsin voter registration and voting records, right?.
    I know you are playing "Devil's advocate". But MY point is that the drama and propaganda used by those in favor of voter ID was ALL about preventing non citizens from voting, and preventing people from voting more than once.
    Then they proceed to pass a voter ID law that doesn't even address, or put a single road block in the way of non citizens voting.
    Their whole campaign is proven a LIE. Don't let anyone try to tell you that voter ID is about anything other than preventing as many people who are likely to vote Democrat as possible from voting.
  9. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from MunoRN
    While a driver's license is used to facilitate the registration process, it doesn't replace it, the Wisconsin Elections Commission still verifies that you legal to vote (citizen status, felon status, etc).
    I'd be interested to know how they do that. I never showed a birth certificate or passport to get my WI driver's license, they accepted my California license as ID and California doesn't require proof of citizenship or legal status to obtain a drivers license.
  10. by   herring_RN
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    I'd be interested to know how they do that. I never showed a birth certificate or passport to get my WI driver's license, they accepted my California license as ID and California doesn't require proof of citizenship or legal status to obtain a drivers license.
    When I turned 21 in 1965 I registered to vote in California. I signed an affidavit with the date and place of my birth. I had a list of acceptable documents. A combination of baptismal certificate and Social Security card. Just a few years ago I obtained my birth certificate on line.

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