The President Donald Trump Thread - page 103

I thought I would create a thread where we can talk about what he's currently up to. No particular topic but one that's ongoing with what he's doing and saying. I'll start with this speech on... Read More

  1. by   Lil Nel
    Trump's personal lawyer is now alluding that the Secret Service essentially okayed the meeting between Donnie Jr. and the Russian lawyer and the Russian lobbyist. Of course, he is trying to deflect, which is about all this so-called administration is good for.

    The problem with the rationale is that Donnie Jr. apparently didn't have Secret Service coverage at the time of the meeting. I also heard on NPR this weekend that Donnie Sr.'s story about when he first heard about the meeting isn't adding up. I guess we will hear more about this later.

    As I have stated before, I am really not interested in engaging with rabid Trump supporters. We have no shared values. So while I find it mildly interesting to read about how these people think, I'm not THAT interested.

    Instead, I think it is more important to try and stave off the harm done by this time of blight, and prevent it from growing. Which is why it is crucial to speak up and stop the continued erosion of public education, and support our state institutions of higher learning. This is how I prefer to spend my time and energy.
  2. by   Avid reader
    [QUOTE=tntrn;9510773]
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    If that's what you choose to focus on, I shall answer it for you. In June 2016 Homeland Security granted her a B status nonimmigrant work visa to complete her legal representation of her client. So, she apparently was here legally.

    Next?[/QUOTE

    She was admitted legally, with some kind of special deal, but it is reported from several sources (sorry, I am off to church soon and cannot research them all now) that she overstayed the visa and was not here legally when the meeting occurred, when she sat in on that televised bit with the Russian Ambassador and other activities. That was my original question: why was she allowed to overstay her special visa time? If that did indeed happen, and bear in mind the Obama administration was in charge when it was granted and supposedly expired in January, who indeed allowed her to stay and why?
    (I know this is Fox news, so ignore it if you choose.....or find it on one of the MSM reports, if they bothered to report it.


    Obama administration let Russian lawyer who met Trump Jr. into US after visa block | Fox News
    Crikey, do you understand how much props you are giving to Obama by suggesting that he engineered this fiasco? Obama is not that clever. I like him as a person and agree that he did achieve much, but he is simply not that ingenious. First two years should have been trying to negate citizens United if he had any sense, then loading the courts to rescind gerrymandering but like all American politicians, his ego supplanted his education. I really would like to know except for Carter, why are they all so narcissistic? What happens to patriotism and simply doing what's best for the country? It's not like any previous Presidents achieved accolades by being selfish and illogical, so why not simply do what's best for the COUNTRY!! Four years of sound achievements surpasses eight of mediocrity and ineptitude. So why does logic and simple good sense elude all these morons?

    I concede Obama staved off a recession and stimulated growth as well as buoying up international relations to Clinton's levels but how arrogant do you have to be to take the mid terms for granted, essentially laying the foundation for this miasma. That was so amateurish, but then who could predict that the most obnoxious, unworthy candidate in history could appeal to anyone, especially Republicans, who theoretically should have booted him to the curb? Can you imagine the pathology swirling inside that orange gourd? I think of the movie Hellraiser and that pin encrusted villain.
  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    US intelligence agencies and our allies tell us that Russia worked diligently, in a variety of ways, to influence our election to favor Trump.

    We know that Russians contacted multiple members of Trump's campaign staff and current team during the election cycle. We know that Russians very directly communicated that they wanted to collude with Junior to win the election against Clinton. We know that Junior loved that concept and scheduled a meeting. We know that even today, no member of team Trump believes that was wrong. We know that Junior has lied about this meeting repeatedly.

    Are we really supposed to just assume that there were no further contacts, no other conversations or interactions? Why would we believe that? What facts in evidence suggest that we should take any of Trump's team or family at their word?
  4. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    US intelligence agencies and our allies tell us that Russia worked diligently, in a variety of ways, to influence our election to favor Trump.

    We know that Russians contacted multiple members of Trump's campaign staff and current team during the election cycle. We know that Russians very directly communicated that they wanted to collude with Junior to win the election against Clinton. We know that Junior loved that concept and scheduled a meeting. We know that even today, no member of team Trump believes that was wrong. We know that Junior has lied about this meeting repeatedly.

    Are we really supposed to just assume that there were no further contacts, no other conversations or interactions? Why would we believe that? What facts in evidence suggest that we should take any of Trump's team or family at their word?
    I don't take any politician at their word.

    What I do know is that we have news (using the term loosely) organizations who have spent millions trying to take him down and have been on this story for a year, have come up with much more smoke than fire.

    So, either there isn't much, or Trump and team is much smarter and more clever then many here are giving him credit for.
  5. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    I don't take any politician at their word.

    What I do know is that we have news (using the term loosely) organizations who have spent millions trying to take him down and have been on this story for a year, have come up with much more smoke than fire.

    So, either there isn't much, or Trump and team is much smarter and more clever then many here are giving him credit for.
    That's a specific viewpoint.

    Why don't you consider the Washington Post or NYT to be news organizations? Why do you think that they are "trying to take him down" rather than trying to unravel a political story that is potentially MUCH bigger than Watergate?

    An entire year, eh? Mostly smoke, eh?
    Benghazi, in one word, reveals the desperate hypocrisy of that particular defense, IMHO. This is an unraveling story of deep national importance. Trump needs to hope that the threads stop leading back to his team.

    How does this look like the Trump team was smart or clever?
  6. by   Lil Nel
    Nothing there but the standard right-wing line: the mainstream media is fake and has an agenda to take down Agent Orange. Never mind that Trump's QWN actions are his downfall and that the role of the media is to INFORM.

    Clearly, Trump and Minions aren't that smart. They have gotten caught in lie after lie after lie after lie after lie. Smooth criminals, don't get caught!

    Oh, there's clearly a fire raging, which is why Trump continues to have meltdowns on Twitter. If things were going well for him, there would be no need for his loss of control temper tantrums.

    Unfortunately, we will all have to wait for Mueller's investigation to play out.

    In the meantime, I am a PROUD subscriber to the NYTimes and applaud the job they have doing, along with the Washington Post, in keeping us all informed (whether some of us want to be informed or not). After working around horses for close to 20 years, I know you can lead one to water, but you can't make them drink!
  7. by   BCgradnurse
    I think it's been Trump's intent from Day 1 to try and take down anyone who disagrees or opposes him. He's insecure and easily threatened-hallmarks of a typical bully. I don't buy the crap about the media being against him. The NYT and WaPo are esteemed, award winning publications that have always represented integrity in journalism. Breitbart and InfoWars, not so much. There are crazy left wing media outlets out there, too, but I don't count most of the MSM as being in that camp.
  8. by   tntrn
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    Why don't you consider the Washington Post or NYT to be news organizations? Why do you think that they are "trying to take him down" rather than trying to unravel a political story that is potentially MUCH bigger than Watergate?


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    Here is but one reason why: New York Times Omits Clinton State Department Link to Trump Jr. Meeting
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
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    Quote from toomuchbaloney

    Why don't you consider the Washington Post or NYT to be news organizations? Why do you think that they are "trying to take him down" rather than trying to unravel a political story that is potentially MUCH bigger than Watergate?


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    Here is but one reason why: New York Times Omits Clinton State Department Link to Trump Jr. Meeting
    What do you think that this Breitbart reporting means or suggests? Why does this mean that the NYT is not a news organization, in your opinion?
  10. by   BCgradnurse
    [QUOTE=tntrn;9511863]
    Quote from toomuchbaloney

    Why don't you consider the Washington Post or NYT to be news organizations? Why do you think that they are "trying to take him down" rather than trying to unravel a political story that is potentially MUCH bigger than Watergate?


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    Here is but one reason why: New York Times Omits Clinton State Department Link to Trump Jr. Meeting
    Ah, yes....Breitbart..that esteemed, non-partisan, fair news source. Seriously?
  11. by   toomuchbaloney
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    Quote from tntrn

    Ah, yes....Breitbart..that esteemed, non-partisan, fair news source. Seriously?
    I find it amusing that the integrity of the NYT is questioned using a news source which ranks near the bottom terms of journalisic integrity.


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  12. by   SC_RNDude
    Why don't you consider the Washington Post or NYT to be news organizations? Why do you think that they are "trying to take him down" rather than trying to unravel a political story that is potentially MUCH bigger than Watergate?
    Whatever you want to call what they are and what they are doing, the end result is still the same. They haven't come with a lot. This, despite devoting vast resources in their effort to "unravel a political story that is potentially MUCH bigger than Watergate".

    How does this look like the Trump team was smart or clever?
    Well, if the Trump team is such a group of buffoons, it seems it should be easy to come up with a lot of evidence of their wrongdoings. The way it seems at the present is that their isn't much of such evidence. If there is something more damning out there, they must be pretty smart and clever to be keeping it hidden all this time.
  13. by   nursej22
    Politics and news outlets seemed to have become such emotional charged subjects, sort of like vaccines are. The more you try to negate someone's opinion, the harder they grip their opinion. And don't give them facts! That is the worst thing you can do. And if you try to draw them out, explore their viewpoint, they will divert the whole dang thing.

    So, tell me why you support DJT? HILLARY'S EMAILS! 3 MILLION ILLEGAL VOTES!

    You think the New York Times is fake? THEY RETRACTED A STORY! THE FAILING NYT!

    Does not having press conferences seem out of the ordinary?: FAKE NEWS! COVFEFE! OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!

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