The President Donald Trump Thread - page 102

I thought I would create a thread where we can talk about what he's currently up to. No particular topic but one that's ongoing with what he's doing and saying. I'll start with this speech on... Read More

  1. by   macawake
    I definitely wasn't planning on making any more posts here, but I have to add this last one for the sake of clarity.


    That was supposed to be 07:08 (not 08:09 as I mistyped) in the YouTube tape in the above post #1314. That's where he tells the world about what he'll soon reveal...


    Bye guys
    Last edit by macawake on Jul 15, '17
  2. by   Avid reader
    Quote from margin261
    I'm glad you asked this. My question to trump supporters- if I was able to have rational discussions with them (I'm talking about the ones I know personally. We do not discuss politics at all anymore)- would be:

    Whatever the event of the day is- and there usually is one! Give it the "Hillary test". Let's use the jr issue.

    Chelsea berated the 'msm', and republicans for months over this Russia lie, this hoax. The republicans just don't want her mother to carry out her agenda for the American people!! Then, oopsie, maybe she did have 1 tiny meeting with some Russian lawyer, but it was about adoptions. Well, ok, maybe a few more people were there. Maybe it was about a little more than poir little orphans needing good homes. Fine then, I'll publish my emails 5 minutes before the NYT so I look transparent & honest!!

    Now, taking all the other Russia stuff into consideration- just switching djt & HRC- then, boom, Chelsea's emails about Russian government wanting to help her mom with dirt on djt.

    You'd be ok with that? Not a peep? We tell you it's a 'nothing burger' (I think my IQ dropped 10pts just typing that phrase) and you'd say- ok, my bad, you're right everybody does it!! Let's go have a coke & a smile??

    For the record, IDGAF who is elected- if there is reasonable evidence that they teamed up with a hostile foreign government to sway an election- I want them out!! If it had been Hillary or Bernie and the information was piling up on them like it's piling up on trump? Yep, GTFO
    Well said, Margin!
  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    The GOP created a cult culture complete with an information bubble and propaganda. The voting base shows signs of full indoctrination, denial of facts being one symptom.
  4. by   tntrn
    [QUOTE=margin261;9510363]If that's what you choose to focus on, I shall answer it for you. In June 2016 Homeland Security granted her a B status nonimmigrant work visa to complete her legal representation of her client. So, she apparently was here legally.

    Next?[/QUOTE

    She was admitted legally, with some kind of special deal, but it is reported from several sources (sorry, I am off to church soon and cannot research them all now) that she overstayed the visa and was not here legally when the meeting occurred, when she sat in on that televised bit with the Russian Ambassador and other activities. That was my original question: why was she allowed to overstay her special visa time? If that did indeed happen, and bear in mind the Obama administration was in charge when it was granted and supposedly expired in January, who indeed allowed her to stay and why?
    (I know this is Fox news, so ignore it if you choose.....or find it on one of the MSM reports, if they bothered to report it.


    Obama administration let Russian lawyer who met Trump Jr. into US after visa block | Fox News
  5. by   SC_RNDude
  6. by   Lil Nel
    Finally, a first for Dim Wit Donnie! He overall approval ratings have dropped even further, and he now has the lowest approval ratings of any President for their first six months in office. I hope Trump is celebrating his victory.

    Well, in retrospect, I guess he did celebrate his latest milestone by spending the weekend at one of his for profit properties and taking to Twitter to bash Clinton and accuse the media of distorting democracy.

    He apparently doesn't think that HE has done enough to distort democracy.

    There is a piece in the NYTimes addressing the issue of how/why the whole Russia scandal doesn't register with many Republicans.
  7. by   margin261
    [QUOTE=tntrn;9510773]
    Quote from margin261
    If that's what you choose to focus on, I shall answer it for you. In June 2016 Homeland Security granted her a B status nonimmigrant work visa to complete her legal representation of her client. So, she apparently was here legally.

    Next?[/QUOTE

    She was admitted legally, with some kind of special deal, but it is reported from several sources (sorry, I am off to church soon and cannot research them all now) that she overstayed the visa and was not here legally when the meeting occurred, when she sat in on that televised bit with the Russian Ambassador and other activities. That was my original question: why was she allowed to overstay her special visa time? If that did indeed happen, and bear in mind the Obama administration was in charge when it was granted and supposedly expired in January, who indeed allowed her to stay and why?
    (I know this is Fox news, so ignore it if you choose.....or find it on one of the MSM reports, if they bothered to report it.


    Obama administration let Russian lawyer who met Trump Jr. into US after visa block | Fox News
    I did answer this: yes, her original visa request in (I think) 2015 was denied. She asked, as did the NY AG office, for special consideration so that her client could be represented & testify in trial. And yes, Lynch- as AG at the time, had to approve. I'm not sure when that one expired- I can find out. However- as I said in last post answerin this: in June 2016 Dept of Homeland Security approved a B status non immigrant visa so that she could continue her leagal work here. It did not give a specific date in June it was issued- however, meeting with jr was 6/9 and in his emails he posted the date was set for then as she was due 'in court'- which was the reason for the visa.

    Now, let's say she did overstay her visa (which she may have done with her original one). Our country doesn't have a great record for keeping up with people who overstay visas. It happens routinely with people from lots of countries- not just Russia. My husband knows of Nigerians who's relatives have come here & counted on US not keeping up with them when they overstayed which was their plan.

    So, if you'd like to spin that into a big dem/HRC/Lynch/flavor of the day conspiracy, you're welcome to. But the actual facts do not support that scenario.

    And again, the 'televised thing' she attended was a House Foreign Affairs Hearing on US/Russian relations & sanctions where the former US amb to Russia, McFaul was testifying. She was invited & sat by a Mr Lanny Wiles (got name wrong earlier) whose wife chaired one of trump's campaigns & who's daughter had a job in the trump WH until she was let go bc she couldn't pass FBI background check.

    And still the issue of DOJ w/ AG sessions dismissing the Russian lawyer's case for $6M when it was a $225M case.

    Did you see any of that on Fox??
  8. by   toomuchbaloney
    [QUOTE=tntrn;9510773]
    Quote from margin261
    If that's what you choose to focus on, I shall answer it for you. In June 2016 Homeland Security granted her a B status nonimmigrant work visa to complete her legal representation of her client. So, she apparently was here legally.

    Next?[/QUOTE

    She was admitted legally, with some kind of special deal, but it is reported from several sources (sorry, I am off to church soon and cannot research them all now) that she overstayed the visa and was not here legally when the meeting occurred, when she sat in on that televised bit with the Russian Ambassador and other activities. That was my original question: why was she allowed to overstay her special visa time? If that did indeed happen, and bear in mind the Obama administration was in charge when it was granted and supposedly expired in January, who indeed allowed her to stay and why?
    (I know this is Fox news, so ignore it if you choose.....or find it on one of the MSM reports, if they bothered to report it.


    Obama administration let Russian lawyer who met Trump Jr. into US after visa block | Fox News
    so the conservative narrative is that the Obama administration intentionally "let" foreigners overstay their visas so that the Russians could offer to collude with Trump and get him into trouble when he is eager to engage with them?
  9. by   margin261
    What was I supposed to get from that article? The trump supporters of that type like to lump all anti-trump people in one group because it makes them feel more comfortable.

    If they-and maybe you, I don't know- can label us all as bleeding heart liberals that want to take everyone's guns, let all the terrorists into the country and embrace sharia law, it lets them feel ok about their antisocial views.

    Well, I like my guns, and I do think people should be vetted before they're allowed in. However, we have a huge problem that's already here with white supremacists & other extremists-right or left- committing violence against our citizens.

    I don't want trump impeached because I want Hillary in. He is damaging our country & at this point, to me it's not a partisan issue, it's an American issue and it's really sad to me that more people can't see that.

    You asked a question before about what would we do if it were Hillary (I think that was it) and I gave you a very thorough answer & asked you a question- do you have an answer??
  10. by   Lil Nel
    Trump's personal lawyer is now alluding that the Secret Service essentially okayed the meeting between Donnie Jr. and the Russian lawyer and the Russian lobbyist. Of course, he is trying to deflect, which is about all this so-called administration is good for.

    The problem with the rationale is that Donnie Jr. apparently didn't have Secret Service coverage at the time of the meeting. I also heard on NPR this weekend that Donnie Sr.'s story about when he first heard about the meeting isn't adding up. I guess we will hear more about this later.

    As I have stated before, I am really not interested in engaging with rabid Trump supporters. We have no shared values. So while I find it mildly interesting to read about how these people think, I'm not THAT interested.

    Instead, I think it is more important to try and stave off the harm done by this time of blight, and prevent it from growing. Which is why it is crucial to speak up and stop the continued erosion of public education, and support our state institutions of higher learning. This is how I prefer to spend my time and energy.
  11. by   Avid reader
    [QUOTE=tntrn;9510773]
    Quote from margin261
    If that's what you choose to focus on, I shall answer it for you. In June 2016 Homeland Security granted her a B status nonimmigrant work visa to complete her legal representation of her client. So, she apparently was here legally.

    Next?[/QUOTE

    She was admitted legally, with some kind of special deal, but it is reported from several sources (sorry, I am off to church soon and cannot research them all now) that she overstayed the visa and was not here legally when the meeting occurred, when she sat in on that televised bit with the Russian Ambassador and other activities. That was my original question: why was she allowed to overstay her special visa time? If that did indeed happen, and bear in mind the Obama administration was in charge when it was granted and supposedly expired in January, who indeed allowed her to stay and why?
    (I know this is Fox news, so ignore it if you choose.....or find it on one of the MSM reports, if they bothered to report it.


    Obama administration let Russian lawyer who met Trump Jr. into US after visa block | Fox News
    Crikey, do you understand how much props you are giving to Obama by suggesting that he engineered this fiasco? Obama is not that clever. I like him as a person and agree that he did achieve much, but he is simply not that ingenious. First two years should have been trying to negate citizens United if he had any sense, then loading the courts to rescind gerrymandering but like all American politicians, his ego supplanted his education. I really would like to know except for Carter, why are they all so narcissistic? What happens to patriotism and simply doing what's best for the country? It's not like any previous Presidents achieved accolades by being selfish and illogical, so why not simply do what's best for the COUNTRY!! Four years of sound achievements surpasses eight of mediocrity and ineptitude. So why does logic and simple good sense elude all these morons?

    I concede Obama staved off a recession and stimulated growth as well as buoying up international relations to Clinton's levels but how arrogant do you have to be to take the mid terms for granted, essentially laying the foundation for this miasma. That was so amateurish, but then who could predict that the most obnoxious, unworthy candidate in history could appeal to anyone, especially Republicans, who theoretically should have booted him to the curb? Can you imagine the pathology swirling inside that orange gourd? I think of the movie Hellraiser and that pin encrusted villain.
  12. by   toomuchbaloney
    US intelligence agencies and our allies tell us that Russia worked diligently, in a variety of ways, to influence our election to favor Trump.

    We know that Russians contacted multiple members of Trump's campaign staff and current team during the election cycle. We know that Russians very directly communicated that they wanted to collude with Junior to win the election against Clinton. We know that Junior loved that concept and scheduled a meeting. We know that even today, no member of team Trump believes that was wrong. We know that Junior has lied about this meeting repeatedly.

    Are we really supposed to just assume that there were no further contacts, no other conversations or interactions? Why would we believe that? What facts in evidence suggest that we should take any of Trump's team or family at their word?
  13. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    US intelligence agencies and our allies tell us that Russia worked diligently, in a variety of ways, to influence our election to favor Trump.

    We know that Russians contacted multiple members of Trump's campaign staff and current team during the election cycle. We know that Russians very directly communicated that they wanted to collude with Junior to win the election against Clinton. We know that Junior loved that concept and scheduled a meeting. We know that even today, no member of team Trump believes that was wrong. We know that Junior has lied about this meeting repeatedly.

    Are we really supposed to just assume that there were no further contacts, no other conversations or interactions? Why would we believe that? What facts in evidence suggest that we should take any of Trump's team or family at their word?
    I don't take any politician at their word.

    What I do know is that we have news (using the term loosely) organizations who have spent millions trying to take him down and have been on this story for a year, have come up with much more smoke than fire.

    So, either there isn't much, or Trump and team is much smarter and more clever then many here are giving him credit for.

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