That's it.... - page 13

...for me. Nothing left to say but wait it out which is what I'll do. On these boards and others, I'm pretty sure I can say that on election days I've been a graceful loser and a decent winner. ... Read More

  1. by   nurseactivist
    Quote from herring_RN
    Quote from herring_RN
    Start at 1:14

    I agree that is how our members of congress should do their jobs.
    Why do you think too many of them didn't do so after President Obama took office?
    Herring, we both know why the republicans blocked Obama every step of the way. The general public hasn't experienced what we have and therefore aren't ready to hear the truth.
  2. by   rnmaybe
    If you're on Medicare and or SS they already are paying for your medical bills and retirement.



    Quote from herring_RN
    I think it would be a difficult choice for many younger adults to have to choose whether to pay for their parents or grandparents healthcare or let them do without.

    So far in the seven years I've had Medicare I've paid more each year than i've used in care. That is not counting what I paid in the 53 years I paid for Medicare with payroll deductions.

    I hope to stay as healthy as possible and die of a short illness. My parents and grandparents didn't linger long.
    But am glad my kids won't have to choose whether to pay their mortgage or my hospital bill.
  3. by   rnmaybe
    Wonder if she is out in North Dakota protesting the pipeline so they don't disrupt the burial sites of her Native American ancestors?

    Quote from nurseactivist
    Herring, we both know why the republicans blocked Obama every step of the way. The general public hasn't experienced what we have and therefore aren't ready to hear the truth.
  4. by   herring_RN
    Quote from herring_RN
    I think it would be a difficult choice for many younger adults to have to choose whether to pay for their parents or grandparents healthcare or let them do without.

    So far in the seven years I've had Medicare I've paid more each year than i've used in care. That is not counting what I paid in the 53 years I paid for Medicare with payroll deductions.

    I hope to stay as healthy as possible and die of a short illness. My parents and grandparents didn't linger long.
    But am glad my kids won't have to choose whether to pay their mortgage or my hospital bill.
    Quote from rnmaybe
    If you're on Medicare and or SS they already are paying for your medical bills and retirement.
    The above statement is incorrect. Please re-read my post.
    I stated that for each year I've had Medicare I paid more in premiums then Medicare paid my providers.

    My $121.80 monthly Medicare premium adds up to $1,461.16 a year. Because I'm (so far) blessed with good health so in no year has Medicare paid even half what I paid in premiums.

  5. by   MunoRN
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    In 2009, during the height of the debate on the ACA, my congresscritter, Chet Edwards, held 3 townhall meetings on the topic. I attended one. His argument was similar: Medicare is a govt program and proof we can do good in that way.

    Audience member, "You keep your government program and let me keep my money!"

    Chet Edwards, "Now see, that's the kind of rhetoric that's nice to say, but very few people actually believe that. To prove that point, I'd like a show of hands at how many people would trade access to Medicare for a return of the small tax it cost to provide?"

    More than half the audience raised their hands.

    Chet Edwards' face fell. He was clearly taken aback. I think it was then he knew he was going to lose the election over Obamacare.

    If the GOP fashioned a program that moved Medicare taxes into a HSA for people under 45 and kept the current program for those over 45, I think y'all would be surprised how popular that program would be. 40 yr olds don't believe they'll ever receive SS/Medicare anyway.

    I think many here overestimate how popular these programs are to the age groups that don't believe they'll be around for them. Contrast that to individual accounts where workers over the course of their lives could see the value of their benefits add up.

    The left want to transfer wealth from the young, healthy and poor to the older, richer and sicker. They will eventually rebel against that. Far better to fashion a program that builds that wealth from the young, healthier and poorer to themselves when they're older, richer, and sicker.

    Once that's done, it's relatively easy to craft a program for those people who become sicker, younger.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    I'm all for encouraging a shift to greater use of HSA's, but that's what we're already doing, and in general people seem to hate it. To reduce shared costs (premiums), higher deductible plans that rely more on HSA's are becoming more common, but it doesn't appear likely that we'll see plans that use deductibles which are more than $10 or $15k become all that popular. The most we can do is to actively discourage plans that that require little or no deductibles, which is what the cadillac tax is, which is highly unpopular.

    Getting rid of shared coverage all together isn't really possible. Even if we said every man, woman, and child needed to have $1 million saved up for medical costs, that still wouldn't guarantee everyone could pay for necessary care, about 10% of cancer patients for instance exceed a $1 million lifetime limit.

    As for medicare, there is actually very little if any support among the young for saying they may or may not receive necessary care when they are older, there is substantial support for making any changes necessary to keep it sustainable, but not for getting rid of it making it a coverage-only-for-some plan.
  6. by   Angry LPN
    I guess very few are aware of just how close the US is to collapsing. It is inevitable and there is no political solution. The limits to growth were reached in 2008. All of the physical resources (food) for endless growth peaked around 2008, with oil being the most important resource. Now it is all chronic contraction. Too much debt, corruption, greed, short sightedness. During the last election, it was never about who was going to fix the economy. It reached a point of no return long ago. The question was who will have the fortitude to make sure every citizen will have access to food, shelter, transportation, and security after they have no money or the money they make is worthless. The US will collapse soon from an inability to grow the economy resulting in levels of debt that have to be taken on at a completely unsustainable rate. Clinton was out for me after she and her people shafted Bernie Sanders. Jill Stein was the next choice, but until the system crashes, they will never allow a green party candidate

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