Strangling democracy

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GOP strategy to change how electoral votes are cast.

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    Strangling democracy

    While canvassing in political campaigns, I meet many a Democrat who proudly tell me they vote a "mixed" ticket.

    Funny enough, most Republicans (2/3s) WILL and DO vote a straight ticket, and only vote for Republicans only, whereas most Democrats (2/3) vote a "mixed" ticket.

    ^This is a most striking difference in how the two parties' members vote.

    The Democrats usually take immense pride in the fact that they vote for some Republicans too, and seem to feel doing this makes them superior voters...

    But here's the thing, that most voters are unaware of---------
    The local Republicans that so many Democrats vote for, are the ones who decide where the districts lie. Where a district starts and ends, and WHO is in THAT district, or, if that district even exists at all. This is called GERRYMANDERING and it's becoming increasingly popular, (google "Virginia Gerrymandering")

    Where just the other week, some Republicans snuck through a whole new district map while one of their Democrat senators was in D.C. to witness the inauguration. NO warning, no previous discussions, just ran it through when the Democrat was at the inaugural. If the Democrat HAD been there, it would have been a tie)

    This kind of stuff is going on all over. Pow! Pow! Pow! One state after another, and districts that vote heavily democratically, are either being sliced in half, in the new map of districts, so their votes will be overwhelmed by the rest of their new district, or, condensed into only one (1) district that Democrats can win, instead of two districts.

    Yet, the Democrats proudly state, "I vote a mixed ticket!!"

    And almost always, the Democrats vote for LOCAL Republicans and NATIONAL Democrat candidates. Unaware the local Republicans they vote for, are the ones making that state's chances of electing a national democratic candidate, very very very slim.

    Once a district map is layed out, it lasts for TEN (10) YEARS!!!! That 'new' district, will have trouble electing any democrats for next 10 years. My own state senate district, when viewed on a map, is about 70 miles long, very very narrow<----only half mile wide at many places, and shaped like an "S", as it, too, was victim of gerrymandering, meandering around and through various democrat strongholds, to reduce that district's ability to elect a democratic candidate.

    This kind of thing is done by LOCAL Republicans<--- often voted in with help of "mixed ticket" Democratic voters who have no idea what "gerrymandering" means, or who does it.

    I myself, strongly wish, we had popular vote, and let go of electoral voting, which would indeed, whack the importance of where a district lies----------- in half, same as their gerrymandering maps do to our votes.

    GOP's gerrymandered advantages

    In 2010, Republicans won many state governors and houses of Republicans , and increased their gerrymandering, ------->and in 2012, Democrats won more votes, but got less seats in the US house of representatives.

    It's only going to get worse. NOW some repubs are discussing and proposing that a state's house of rep districts be used to cast the electoral votes for the Presidential election, especially in swing states--------- even further reducing the power of popular vote, further strangling our democracy.

    Six states are now proposing adopting RNC chairman's plan to rig the electoral votes in swing states to favor the Republicans candidate in Presidential elections.

    "MIXED TICKET" DEMOCRATS, please reconsider the power of the local and state Republicans you vote for, in creating oddly imbalanced districts (gerry-mandering) that do impact the national vote for your state.

    IF IF IF there is ever any state ballot for a nonpartisan committee to draw district maps vote YES!! Here is more ideas we can do to help others learn about preventing the destructive gerrymandering onto our democracy:

    Three ways to block republican gerrymandering of the electoral college
    Last edit by Joe V on Feb 9, '13 : Reason: removed unnecessary formatting
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    More wasted bandwith for the low information voter.
    Last edit by Joe V on Feb 9, '13 : Reason: removed quote
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    Are these Dems confused? It sounds like they are actually Independents? I am a registered Democrat, and I vote a straight ticket for the most part. I hear the same motto of "I vote for the candidate & not for the party" from a lot of people. There is nothing wrong with that strategy, but there is nothing wrong with the way I choose to vote either. I believe in the political process. I also believe that when Congress is not aligned with the Executive branch, little is accomplished. That is why I vote the way I vote.
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    Must of been Palm Beach Democrats they talked to who couldn't figure out how to punch a straight ticket ballot.
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    More wasted bandwith for the low information voter.
    22g, the more adult form of debating, includes presenting where i have a fact wrong in the posted allegations that the GOP is finding ways to cheat voters out of expressing their will. If you have some facts against this, post 'em!
    Otherwise, fact-free whining or suggestions of name calling say more about you, than about these facts.

    sorry, but, the national head of the GOP, and multiple swing-state GOP leaders, ARE indeed, strategizing on ways to strangle democracy.
    RNC's Priebus Proposes to Rig Electoral College so Losing Republicans Can 'Win' | The Nation

    If you, 22g, feel what the GOP is doing IS democratic and good, (trying to find ways to cheat voters out of their say by gerrymandering, and also changing the way the electoral college has always been divied up before)
    than you might not be "for" democracy, and this entire discussion might be lost on you.

    I think it says volumes about the GOP, that they feel only way to win, is by cheating.
    Last edit by somenurse on Feb 4, '13
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    Must of been Palm Beach Democrats they talked to who couldn't figure out how to punch a straight ticket ballot.
    Aw, 22g, come on, bring it up a level. This is just flat out pulling stuff out of your a$$. come on, this childish post doesn't even have anything to do with the cheating the GOP is trying to pull off.
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    Quote from mariebailey
    Are these Dems confused? It sounds like they are actually Independents? I am a registered Democrat, and I vote a straight ticket for the most part. I hear the same motto of "I vote for the candidate & not for the party" from a lot of people. There is nothing wrong with that strategy, but there is nothing wrong with the way I choose to vote either. I believe in the political process. I also believe that when Congress is not aligned with the Executive branch, little is accomplished. That is why I vote the way I vote.
    oddly, most of these that i have met, and those in the "voter access" computer programs studied during elections,
    usually self-label as democrats. Democrats do tend to be more open, maybe, and democratic party is far bigger=tent party than gop is,
    mayyybe is why so many seem to take an odd pride in mixed ticket voting.(?) (that's just a guess, i don't know why our voting studies show that 2/3 of dems pull at least one lever for a repub---and usually, it's a LOCAL repub).

    Usually, especially right after the Bush fiasco, most people i met who self-labeled as "independents" were, in fact, just embarrassed republicans. They called themselves "independents", as the republican brand was kinda damaged at that point,
    but they talked, voted and thought like republicans, yet, didn't want to use THAT word at THAT period of time.

    but, of course, not all independents are just "embarassed republicans", there are actual independents. and some independents can be defacto democrats, too. But, it's true, 2/3 of democrats tend to pull the lever for at least one republican.

    Like you, MarieBailey, i have met those who say they vote for "the person, not the party"
    but, for me, no matter how much i might like some republican, i am very aware of how elected republicans tend to take away our freedoms, and what that party if usually for/against,
    so how charming one candidate or another is, is NOT the main factor for me, not at all.

    A republican is a republican is a republican. It's not a very big-tent party, either. and it's not even the same party it was 10 to 20 years ago. They've been taken over by extremists. Even their patron saint, Reagan, wouldn't pass the sniff test of TODAY'S gop.
    Last edit by somenurse on Feb 4, '13
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    Gerrymandering is a term thrown about by both Republicans and Democrats. Voting districts are supposed to be set to represent the people living in a certain area. The expectation is that voting districts would be roughly rectangular, circular, or some combination of those two shapes. When a district is stretched, twisted, and distorted into odd shapes it's called gerrymandering. These shapes are designed to create a majority of the authoring party's voters in as many districts as possible.

    An excellent example is what the Democrats did to Maryland.



    It's very artistic in an abstract kind of way, IMO.
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    I don't accept any party's complaint of gerrymandering at face value. I prefer to look at the actual maps. Redistricting came up with I lived in Texas a few years back. The Democrats were in the minority and actually fled the state capital to try to hold up the process. The district borders that were proposed by the Republicans were not perfect squares but they were quite a bit better than the existing ones.
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