State of the Union - Monday morning quarterbacks

  1. 0 What did you like about the speech, what did you dislike?
    Ted Nugent - Thumbs up or down? Who should have been a guest that was not?
    Rebuttals - on target?
    What do you think about a $9 starting wage?
    Loophole closures?

    I supect there are other things you liked or did not like.
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  3. Visit  TopazLover profile page

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  4. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    I will be catching up on the speech and the rebuttals tonight...
    I didn't even watch the news last night, so I am completely in the dark today...was it impressive with all the guests in the chamber?
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    The room was full to overflowing. Somewhat impressive. I only watched the actual speech.
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    One of my favorite lines: What makes you a man isn't the ability to conceive a child; it's having the courage to raise one.

    At times some of the people in the room showed some interesting body language. I have been looking for the one picture that really shouted a thousand words. Can't find it.
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    Minimum Wage Would Be $21.72 If It Kept Pace With Increases In Productivity: Study

    The minimum wage should have reached $21.72 an hour in 2012 if it kept up with increases in worker productivity, according to a March study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research. While advancements in technology have increased the amount of goods and services that can be produced in a set amount of time, wages have remained relatively flat, the study points out.
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  8. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    I watched it, SOTU is always big deal to me, no matter who is prez. I rather love the old-fashionedness of this old old constitutional dictate being done, again and again, by one prez after the other.

    ONe line that caught me totally off guard, i did not expect it at all, was the one about raising minimum wage to $9 per hour. I thought of all the bazillions of humans in USA whose lives could become less frightening financial rope-walking, if that actually ever happened. Despite both Romney and Obama both being for tying minimum wage to cost of living,
    already,
    the gop is speaking out against the idea that USA minimum wage should be above the poverty line...in all honesty, i doubt it will ever ever come to pass, i doubt the gop will ever NOT control house of reps,
    but, making the minimum wage high enough, that one would be technically out of the poverty zone, was a stunning thing to consider happening....
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  9. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Re; the rebuttal, (and the gop rebuttal to the gop rebuttal, which i did not watch)

    I heard someone say,(para) that the gop ran against an Obama who they created, (liberal, socialist foriegn born, kenyan marxist who is a tyrant taking your guns, wants big govt, etc etc)
    who is not much like the actual Obama,
    and that the gop rebuttal
    was also to a speech that was NOT given.


    obviously, the gop rebuttal was written before the SOTU, but, it was sad it was not even edited to fit the speech that was actually said. The gop still might be fighting an largely imaginary president that they have created, that mostly only clusterfox news viewers can see.
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  10. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    The problem with the leftists is that all they see is Obama through rose colored glasses. Everything that is wrong is Bushes fault or the GOP being mean to poor Barry. Why if the mean ol' GOP would just get out of the way unemployment would be zero, cancer would be cured and people like Christopher Reeve would have walked again.


    Quote from Jean Marie46514
    Re; the rebuttal, (and the gop rebuttal to the gop rebuttal, which i did not watch)

    I heard someone say,(para) that the gop ran against an Obama who they created, (liberal, socialist foriegn born, kenyan marxist who is a tyrant taking your guns, wants big govt, etc etc)
    who is not much like the actual Obama,
    and that the gop rebuttal
    was also to a speech that was NOT given.


    obviously, the gop rebuttal was written before the SOTU, but, it was sad it was not even edited to fit the speech that was actually said. The gop still might be fighting an largely imaginary president that they have created, that mostly only clusterfox news viewers can see.
  11. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    The problem with the leftists is that all they see is Obama through rose colored glasses. Everything that is wrong is Bushes fault or the GOP being mean to poor Barry. Why if the mean ol' GOP would just get out of the way unemployment would be zero, cancer would be cured and people like Christopher Reeve would have walked again.

    iF YOU say so, 22ga, if you say so!!
  12. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    The problem with the leftists is that all they see is Obama through rose colored glasses. Everything that is wrong is Bushes fault or the GOP being mean to poor Barry. Why if the mean ol' GOP would just get out of the way unemployment would be zero, cancer would be cured and people like Christopher Reeve would have walked again.
    btw, if it would make you feel any better, 22ga, i DO indeed have a list of things i am NOT happy about from President Obama, he is not "perfect" and i do not think he is. but, then again, i never ever expected perfection in a human, nope, this is not the first presidency i have watched.
    Still, despite the fact i DO have some things i am not stoked about, overall, i am most pleased with the overall results and legislation he has enacted, and overall, i have been very impressed and feel proud of the job he has done, overall.

    but perfect, nope, i don't see it. Great, yes yes, i'll call him great, but i'll never call him "perfect". I think he tried far far too hard to focus on bipartisanship, far far too hard to win over the GOP, ("they're just not that into you, Obama, move on now") and some actions really bummed me out. Like having a bipartisan commitee "the gang of six" who nixed public option right outa the gate, oh wow, that one hurt, oh it did, i will admit it. Sent me reeling, i felt like a fool for a while, too, i'd had my dreams up too too high.
    Some other things, too, i have not been stoked about, extending the bush tax cuts also surprised me, and bummed me out, and other things, too,
    but, my list of disappointments, is far outnumbered,
    by my list of things i am stoked about.

    but, i am not stoked about everything Obama has done, or hasn't done yet.

    Even with Bush, although overall he gave me breathing troubles to see him sending us into bogus wars, etc etc,
    i can and will admit there were some things he did that i actually DID like. I admired his AIDS work, for one, just off the top of my head. Very well done, i thought. give me a while, i'll come up with other things i liked about Bush.

    It's really not "all or nothing" for me, anyway.

    EDIT, i now recall, years ago, some pal betting me i could not list 10 things i liked about Bush, but, i did come up with a list of 10 things. Okay, i did include i thought his haircut was decent for that type of hair, and that he seemed to keep himself physically fit near as i could tell,
    but, i did come up with 10 things i liked about Bush.
    Last edit by somenurse on Feb 14, '13
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  13. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    ... Raising the minimum wage would be good for our economy. A higher minimum wage not only boosts workers' incomes--something that is sorely needed to boost demand and get the economy going--but it also reduces turnover and shifts businesses toward a high-road, high-human-capital model.

    Still, some policymakers may be nervous about increasing the minimum wage while unemployment is so high. Yet, both the federal and states governments have raised the minimum wage numerous times during periods of high unemployment and the evidence indicates that employment has been unaffected. ...

    The Facts on Raising the Minimum Wage When Unemployment Is High | Center for American Progress Action Fund
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  14. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    Is this post serious? Are you really trying to compare federal and state governments to someone who actually runs a business? Someone who actually has to have a budget and meet a payroll? Against a business that doesn't feed like a parasite off of tax payers? Why not just make the minimum wage $100/hr? Can't make this logic up folks.


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    ... both the federal and states governments have raised the minimum wage numerous times during periods of high unemployment and the evidence indicates that employment has been unaffected. ...

    The Facts on Raising the Minimum Wage When Unemployment Is High | Center for American Progress Action Fund
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  15. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    ... We examined every state minimum wage increase from 1990 through 2011 where the state unemployment rate was above 8 percent. We then compared the rate of job creation over the next 12 months following the minimum wage increase in these states to the national average.

    Of the 35 cases where a state minimum wage was increased during a period of high unemployment, 21 saw job increases over the next year at a rate faster than the national average, while 14 witnessed job growth at a rate below the national average. The average rate of job creation for a state after a minimum wage increase during a period of high unemployment was 0.48 percentage points above the national average. The median employment growth was also slightly above the national average.

    A few states, including Alabama and Tennessee in 2009, saw 12-month job increases well above the national average.
    Some states, however, including Michigan in 2008 and Arizona in 2011, had significantly worse employment outcomes than the national average. But the average state that increased its minimum wage had 12-month job growth that mirrored the national average, with most states doing slightly better than the national average.

    Likewise, separate analysis of minimum wage increases that occurred as a result of federal action versus increases coming from state action yields nearly identical results--national and state employment growth virtually matched.

    While this simple analysis does not have the rigorous controls required of full-blown academic research, these results provide additional evidence demonstrating increases in the minimum wage are unlikely to have harmful effects on employment. When combined with the academic studies, these more anecdotal findings provide a compelling picture of the employment effects of the minimum wage. ...

    The Facts on Raising the Minimum Wage When Unemployment Is High | Center for American Progress Action Fund

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