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  1. by   toomuchbaloney
    The objective is to still the conversation about gun violence with pedantic arguments.
  2. by   heron
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    The objective is to still the conversation about gun violence with pedantic arguments.
    And to sell more guns.
  3. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Quote from heron
    And to sell more guns.
    Yeah, 'cause in AMERICA you can obtain EVERYTHING that's 'bad', anywhere, anytime.
  4. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from No Stars In My Eyes
    Yeah, 'cause in AMERICA you can obtain EVERYTHING that's 'bad', anywhere, anytime.
    except cannabis
  5. by   MunoRN
    Quote from tntrn
    An AR-1 is a semi-automatic so not an assault weapon. Each shot requires one pull.
    I think you mean some would argue it's not an assault rifle, since that is also a term that applies to a specific group of military weapons. There are various definitions of assault weapons based on the varying laws and proposals that address them, but in general it refers to a semiautomatic firearm where the primary purpose isn't for defense, hunting, or sport but offensive use. In other words it's primary design benefit is to kill a bunch of people before you can be stopped.
  6. by   MunoRN
    Quote from tntrn
    So other than completely disarming the entire American population, which doesn't work as we have seen in Australia, what new laws or policies from those who make them, in your opinion, would have prevented Newtown, or any of so many other mass shootings, where the shooters passed background checks and bought those weapons legally, then went off somehow and used them to the detriment of many?
    Firearms are not illegal in Australia, there are restrictions, for instance you need a valid reason to own a semiautomatic rifle but they aren't outright banned.

    About 40% of gun sales in the US don't legally require a background checks since they occur through private sales, these should also be subject to background checks. If you know you're not going to pass a background check then obviously you're going to through a private sale, which is why potentially 70% of guns used in crimes were obtained through private transfers, and most of the remaining guns were stolen, often poorly secured firearms.
  7. by   Lil Nel
    The gun sales laws in Kentucky are so lax that several years ago, a neighbor held a yard sale over the course
    of several days, in which he sold GUNS! It was Memorial Day weekend, so it was a weekend long yard sale, of
    which guns were being sold.

    I live off of Interstate I-75, which runs from Michigan all the way down south. So there is lots of traffic. The
    dude had signs coming off of the interstate, every few feet - Guns, Guns, Guns!

    I was furious! I called the local police department and sheriff department to complain and was told that
    such sales aren't illegal in Kentucky. Do you think I felt SAFE with some idiot advertising: Big pile of GUNS right
    here!

    Several neighbors were also upset, including my landlords who ARE gun owners. They didn't think the idiot
    neighbor's plan to sell guns in our neighborhood was so smart either.

    I never said anything to the neighbor for two reasons: one, there was NO way I could be civil to him and
    secondly, what he was doing was legal. However, he has never held another such sale, so I assume his
    immediate neighbors said something.

    Also, gun ownership hasn't been restricted over the years. That is a myth. Just like the myth that Obama
    was going to take away everybody's guns. Gun sales actually increased during his time in office. And in
    states like Texas, you can now carry guns into college classrooms.

    And don't forget that our wonderful Congress has loosened the restrictions on gun sales to the mentally ill.

    The NRA has successfully fought all attempts to strengthen gun laws.

    Again, know which side you're on, and accept the consequences. Yes, the shooting during the baseball practice was a tragedy. But
    it was no worse than any other mass shooting that has occurred. It was simply another senseless violent act, of which there is
    no shortage in this country.
  8. by   tntrn
    Quote from MunoRN
    I think you mean some would argue it's not an assault rifle, since that is also a term that applies to a specific group of military weapons. There are various definitions of assault weapons based on the varying laws and proposals that address them, but in general it refers to a semiautomatic firearm where the primary purpose isn't for defense, hunting, or sport but offensive use. In other words it's primary design benefit is to kill a bunch of people before you can be stopped.
    You are correct. And we should point out than just anything can be used as an assault weapon. ballball bat, knife, hammer.....shall we place restrictions on sales of those items also?
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
    Just in case someone didn't already know this, baseball bats and hammers are not designed for combat or for causing intentional harm to a person or animal. Only some specific knives are designed to be a weapon of aggression.

    The same cannot be said for the AR and AK rifles. They were designed for human combat scenarios. It is reasonable to regulate the ownership of the tools of warfare, IMHO.

    Trying to equate owning a baseball bat with owning a firearm is intellectually dishonest.
  10. by   tntrn
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Just in case someone didn't already know this, baseball bats and hammers are not designed for combat or for causing intentional harm to a person or animal. Only some specific knives are designed to be a weapon of aggression.

    The same cannot be said for the AR and AK rifles. They were designed for human combat scenarios. It is reasonable to regulate the ownership of the tools of warfare, IMHO.





    Trying to equate owning a baseball bat with owning a firearm is intellectually dishonest.

    What is dishonest is not acknoledging that a baseball bat or a knife can be used in a violent manner and when done so, what difference does it make what it was originally designed for?
  11. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from ElvishDNP
    How many mass shootings has Australia had in June? 2017? The last decade?

    What about Norway? Iceland? Finland? Sweden? Canada? Germany? Poland? Denmark?
    As we would expect in highly secular countries, hardly any. The USA, like other devoutly religious countries, many with very restrictive gun laws, like Mexico, share our high violent crime rates.
    BTW, guns were by no means banned in Australia. Many people continue to have them and they aren't especially difficult to legally own there.
  12. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Just in case someone didn't already know this, baseball bats and hammers are not designed for combat or for causing intentional harm to a person or animal. Only some specific knives are designed to be a weapon of aggression.

    The same cannot be said for the AR and AK rifles. They were designed for human combat scenarios. It is reasonable to regulate the ownership of the tools of warfare, IMHO.
    There are regulated and access to them is restricted.
  13. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from Lil Nel
    The gun sales laws in Kentucky are so lax that several years ago, a neighbor held a yard sale over the course
    of several days, in which he sold GUNS! It was Memorial Day weekend, so it was a weekend long yard sale, of
    which guns were being sold.
    This is completely normal and would be legal in most states. I have observed many firearms for sale at yard sales in all the states I have lived in.
    Why would you call the police?

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