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  1. by   Lil Nel
    I don't remember if Adam Lanza used an AR-15 to mow down the first graders at Newtown. I thought he did. Please
    correct me if you know for sure what assault weapon he used. Didn't the San Bernardino shooters use AR-15s?
  2. by   Lil Nel
    I just looked it up myself. Adam Lanza killed the first graders with a Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S. It is a semi-automatic.

    The rifle he used to kill his mother required him to reload, I believe between shots. He shot her four times.
  3. by   Lil Nel
    The San Bernardino shooters did indeed use AR-15s, which were banned in 1994, but as we know, Congress
    lifted that ban some 10 years later.
  4. by   tntrn
    Quote from Lil Nel
    I don't remember if Adam Lanza used an AR-15 to mow down the first graders at Newtown. I thought he did. Please
    correct me if you know for sure what assault weapon he used. Didn't the San Bernardino shooters use AR-15s?

    An AR-1 is a semi-automatic so not an assault weapon. Each shot requires one pull.
  5. by   Avid reader
    Quote from azhiker96
    He purchased his guns from a licensed FFL dealer. That means he passed the background checks. Guns Recovered From Congressional Shooter Appear Legally Purchased, FBI Says - NBC News

    What new gun law would have prevented this, Universal background checks?
    I actually read somewhere that background checks can be circumnavigated by saying that you are a dealer. Also gun shows can get around background checks? I don't understand the mindset of individuals who own guns. If you are a hunter, then shouldn't you simply have a hunting gun? If it's for defence then move out if possible from such a bad area. It's incredible to think that people feel so unsafe that you need more than police protection in any neighborhood.

    I think it's a societal problem of people who are massively insecure and use guns like sports cars to macho up themselves. Americans have little historical culture which I think is why we are so more accepting of modernity as opposed to Europeans who resist much stupidity from ADVERTISERS. However this limitation of little culture is also detrimental since ADVERTISING appears to be heavily influential here. European women are far less neurotic about their appearances, I wonder why?

    I rest my case with restless leg syndrome. Caveat, I know almost nothing about the gun culture so everything I've said is based on speculation and ignorance.
  6. by   Avid reader
    Quote from tntrn
    Maybe you mean semi-automatic rifles? Because assault rifles are also called machine guns and are completely unable to be had in some states and at great cost, both with permitting and prices of the weapons, which can start at about $15K.

    Many states don't allow the scary AR-15 for hunting anyway, because the ammo used isn't powerful enough to bring down a large animal with one shot.
    How do you know this stuff?
  7. by   Lil Nel
    I will have to go back and reread what read about the difference between the rifles Lanza used to kill the school children versus what he used to kill his mother. From what I read, I think he had to reload the rifle used to kill mom. It clearly took more effort for him shoot her than the school children.

    Admittedly, I don't much about the differences between semi-automatic weapons, nor do I care to learn much about them. I am obviously not a gun owner, or supporter. They are instruments of killing, and I have no use for them. I'm not interested in killing animals nor people.

    But I think the AR-15 fires off many more rounds than what Lanza used on his mother. And maybe that is why it appears to be a favorite of mass shooters.
  8. by   tntrn
    Quote from Avid reader
    How do you know this stuff?
    I am married to a hunter and an avid gun collector and shooter.I have a concealed carry permit; I own 3 weapons of my own....2 handguns and an AR-15. I shoot regularly, for fun and in low-key competitions. It is my reponsibility to know these things. I consider it part of my responsibility to share correct information to those who don't have it.

    It would behoove those, like yourself, who don't know about guns, don't own a gun, don't want to own a gun, to also know this information prior to arguing about gun issues.
  9. by   Avid reader
    Quote from tntrn
    I am married to a hunter and an avid gun collector and shooter.I have a concealed carry permit; I own 3 weapons of my own....2 handguns and an AR-15. I shoot regularly, for fun and in low-key competitions. It is my reponsibility to know these things. I consider it part of my responsibility to share correct information to those who don't have it.

    It would behoove those, like yourself, who don't know about guns, don't own a gun, don't want to own a gun, to also know this information prior to arguing about gun issues.
    Thought I clearly indicated that I have no opinion because of ignorance and cultural bias. I opined about violence. Should someone so easily irritated have so many guns?
  10. by   nursej22
    Gun enthusiasts are quick to point out the minutiae about firearms, but seldom have anything to offer todecrease the chances of getting shot by a domestic terrorist. Except to to advise arming oneself.

    That's one reason I posted earlier about the futility of trying to decrease gun violence. Many gun enthusiasts care only about their rights, not about anyone else's.
  11. by   tntrn
    Quote from Avid reader
    Thought I clearly indicated that I have no opinion because of ignorance and cultural bias. I opined about violence. Should someone so easily irritated have so many guns?

    If you have no opinion that is fair. However there are plenty of people who do have opinions and are not knowledgeable about the facts.
  12. by   Lil Nel
    I don't think one needs to be an expert on the inner workings of guns in order to have an opinion here.

    It is really pretty simple.

    If you want to live in a society awash in guns (with few restrictions placed on ownership), then please learn to accept the violence that will occur. Don't act shocked, shocked, shocked when guns are used to commit crimes and kill and maim innocent people.

    It's a simple matter of knowing which side you are on, and then accepting the consequences of the side you have chosen.
  13. by   tntrn
    Quote from Lil Nel
    I don't think one needs to be an expert on the inner workings of guns in order to have an opinion here.

    It is really pretty simple.

    If you want to live in a society awash in guns (with few restrictions placed on ownership), then please learn to accept the violence that will occur. Don't act shocked, shocked, shocked when guns are used to commit crimes and kill and maim innocent people.

    It's a simple matter of knowing which side you are on, and then accepting the consequences of the side you have chosen.
    The problem I was addressing was people who argue without knowing how certain weapons are classified. Assault rifle vs semi-automatic for example.

    And there are more and more and more gun restrictions all the time......have any of them stopped any of the mass shootings? They have been committed by people who had legally obtained weapons, so how does that get fixed? Are we supposed to grant a gun permit or purchase to someone who passes a background check, but MIGHT, at some point in the future, use it to murder people? Who will that work?

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