The Romney Record at Bain. . . . - page 5

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The following is a link to an article that looks into Mitt Romney's record while he was CEO of Bain Capital. The article starts off with the following first paragraph: Here's the link to the the entire article: The Romney... Read More


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    I understand it's hard to hear criticism about candidates and issues that you're passionate about, especially when their wrong and full of stupidity, but the two above posts/lectures are so annoyingly condescending I just want to puke and sacrifice my membership by saying exactly what I think. But I'll bite my tongue and go away instead.

    Pot meet the kettle.
    Last edit by Tweety on May 19, '12
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    ok, here i go again...the unaware of reality, ignorant, emotional bleeding heart liberal about to weigh in.
    i want to know how running a business for the purpose of making money proves he knows how to create jobs.
    i want to know if his repeatedly changing his policies and saying the opposite of what he said is ok.
    [color=#333333]mitt romney stated that under his tenure the firm created 100,000 jobs. neither bain nor the campaign has been able to document that figure in response to repeated requests by bloomberg news. bain capital doesn’t track jobs lost or gained as a result of their investments. (romney calls for caution on regulations after jpmorgan loss - bloomberg )
    many people state that under romney 100,000 jobs were not created.. (romney as job creator clashes with bain record of job cuts - bloomberg )
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    If condesencion is a problem, then declaring what someone else thinks fits the happens on a regular basis when opinions or even factual knowledge from personal experience is posted.

    To me, it only makes sense that someone who is running a business to make money (and I'm having a hard time with running a business in order to lose money), jobs are created. As has been pointed out many times, money isn't made by the hands of one person. More like it is a process. And therefore, to me, it is a logical conclusion that his money was made by the job creation he did. But then, I probably look at the process differently.

    I'll use my dad as an example. He farmed for years and years. And he managed farms for others too. Along the way, he did have employees helping with the work on the land. My dad is wealthy now, and the employees have all gone on to do a variety of things. Several are also farming, but are not wealthy (yet) and hold no grudge against my dad because he is. He created jobs, but then he ceased needing those employees at some point. It is the natural progression. What am I missing? Must be something.

    And I will go tit-for-tat. Obama had no experience with job creation and doesn't have much even now. Where all of you who now worry about Romney worried about that 4 years ago?
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    Quote from Tweety
    I understand it's hard to hear criticism about candidates and issues that you're passionate about, especially when their wrong and full of stupidity, but the two above posts/lectures are so annoyingly condescending I just want to puke and sacrifice my membership by saying exactly what I think. But I'll bite my tongue and go away instead.

    Pot meet the kettle.
    I don't have a hard time hearing "criticism about candidates and issues that I'm passionate about." I'm NOT passionate about Romney. Truth is, I don't particularly like the guy because I think he is far too much like Obama, about whom I AM passionate.

    I don't especially mind the stupidity, either, no matter how rampant, as long as the poster is speaking for him/herself and not presuming to do so for me.

    It is beyond me why you would allow yourself to become annoyed by anonymous writers whose material you have chosen to read. Frankly, that's not our problem.
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    Quote from Jolie
    I don't have a hard time hearing "criticism about candidates and issues that I'm passionate about." I'm NOT passionate about Romney. Truth is, I don't particularly like the guy because I think he is far too much like Obama, about whom I AM passionate.
    Thank you. :bowingpur
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    Quote from tntrn
    If condesencion is a problem, then declaring what someone else thinks fits the happens on a regular basis when opinions or even factual knowledge from personal experience is posted.

    To me, it only makes sense that someone who is running a business to make money (and I'm having a hard time with running a business in order to lose money), jobs are created. As has been pointed out many times, money isn't made by the hands of one person. More like it is a process. And therefore, to me, it is a logical conclusion that his money was made by the job creation he did. But then, I probably look at the process differently.

    I'll use my dad as an example. He farmed for years and years. And he managed farms for others too. Along the way, he did have employees helping with the work on the land. My dad is wealthy now, and the employees have all gone on to do a variety of things. Several are also farming, but are not wealthy (yet) and hold no grudge against my dad because he is. He created jobs, but then he ceased needing those employees at some point. It is the natural progression. What am I missing? Must be something.

    And I will go tit-for-tat. Obama had no experience with job creation and doesn't have much even now. Where all of you who now worry about Romney worried about that 4 years ago?
    You're first paragraph makes no sense to me.

    The second paragraph makes sense, but I'm not sure what the point is. I understand that people that make money also create jobs. I have no problem with wealthy people making money. What I would have a problem with is that if, using a farmer for an example, he's selling corn. It's very profitable right now and he's making a ton of money through his own good hard work. There are no more customers to be had due to a bad economy, in fact he made the gut wrenching decision that in order to survive he needs to lay off some workers. The workers left are working overtime because the economy's improving but not enough to create more jobs. So profits are good for him, the highest they've been in 5 years. I understand that now isn't the time to make things harder through regulations or crippling taxes, but why hand him breaks and subsidies at a profitable time for him when he doesn't need to create more jobs? He needs customers to create jobs.

    I also understand that companies in the greater scheme of things from time to time need to lay off workers. It's necessary for their survival and they aren't evil, greedy people for doing so. Duh....

    All that said running a business and a country isn't the same thing. RIght now to create jobs we don't need to continue to cut spending and give away those spending cuts to people that don't need it. How about cutting wasteful spending and investing in things that create jobs like infrastructure, energy, etc. things that will help us in the long run.

    Touche on the point about Obama. I think the issue was not that his experience was at creating jobs, but at a time when 500,000 people were losing jobs people had to put their faith in someone other than the party in power. He didn't deliver on his goals, but he stabilized things. Some of us trust to stay the course rather than gamble on ideas that have proven to fail in the past. It's the roll of the dice, and I don't like and agree with everything Obama has done, but the truth is things have stabilized, while still shaky. I'm actually equally concerned.

    In the end I understand we have fundamental differences in how we view things and how things should be handled. It is what it is. It's regrettable that you feel your opinion isn't respected. Does it have to be? I respect your right to have your opinion and respect you as a person (I really do...you're a hardworking tax paying wife, daughter and mother), but I certainly don't like, don't agree, and could care less about some of what you say. I'm sure the feelings mutual. Like I said, it is what it is, why sugar coat it. LOL

    I don't expect people to respect the content of my opinions and posts either. But based on feedback, some do, as I know some think your posts are spot on. It is what it is.
    Last edit by Tweety on May 20, '12
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    Quote from Jolie
    I don't have a hard time hearing "criticism about candidates and issues that I'm passionate about." I'm NOT passionate about Romney. Truth is, I don't particularly like the guy because I think he is far too much like Obama, about whom I AM passionate.

    I don't especially mind the stupidity, either, no matter how rampant, as long as the poster is speaking for him/herself and not presuming to do so for me.

    It is beyond me why you would allow yourself to become annoyed by anonymous writers whose material you have chosen to read. Frankly, that's not our problem.

    Understood, because it's annoying when people presume to think for me presuming I think business people are evil and greedy.

    I apologize, because you certain come across in your long winded posts to be passionate about the greedy business people things. Your points are valid though because some of the anti-Bain stuff is not based on the whole picture.

    I have no problems with criticism either. I welcome it in a direct manner, rather than a side remark. However, condescending lectures are a big bore. But as you say that's my problem. Just sayin'....

    Yes, I do allow myself to become annoyed and the stupidity bothers me, I can't help it and I'm glad I have feelings. Some of the posters here after all these years are beyond "anonymous" writers, but friends, peers, and people that move me.

    Trust me, what people say here on the political forum is barely a blip on my emotional radar. It's candy. Some of the time I exercise my choice and chose not to read some posts.
    Last edit by Tweety on May 20, '12
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    Wow. . . . LOTS MORE WORDS typed on this forum. I'm not going to read them now. Just don't have enough time to catch up on this post now. Maybe later.

    I'm still going to vote for Obama, though. I don't have too many positive things to say about the Republican Party as it presents itself today. I don't like its ideologies and policies. I don't trust it. But this should be no news to anyone here.

    I do want to add something though because something tntrn wrote caught my eye:

    Quote from tntrn
    . . . my husband and I own an S-Corporation. We have no employees, just the two of us, for his business. So the idea that a corporation has to be big is incorrect.
    Amy and I also own a small S-Corporation too!. (We do have 5 talented individuals who serve as "contracted employees" whenever do do our "gigs".) Just want to share this. :spin:

    Well. . . . got to go.
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    [QUOTE=Tweety;6504984...the two above posts/lectures are so annoyingly condescending I just want to puke and sacrifice my membership by saying exactly what I think....[/QUOTE]


    From Tweety's post # 45,"It's regrettable that you feel your opinion isn't respected."

    Perhaps we have different opinions of respect.
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    Quote from tweety
    you're first paragraph makes no sense to me


    (sometimes she's typing from a phone . . . makes it hard to type correctly especially if your phone does that auto-correct thing)


    in the end i understand we have fundamental differences in how we view things and how things should be handled. it is what it is. it's regrettable that you feel your opinion isn't respected. does it have to be? i respect your right to have your opinion and respect you as a person (i really do...you're a hardworking tax paying wife, daughter and mother), but i certainly don't like, don't agree, and could care less about some of what you say. i'm sure the feelings mutual. like i said, it is what it is, why sugar coat it. lol

    i don't expect people to respect the content of my opinions and posts either. but based on feedback, some do, as i know some think your posts are spot on. it is what it is.
    Quote from jolie
    from tweety's post # 45,"it's regrettable that you feel your opinion isn't respected."

    perhaps we have different opinions of respect.
    this is the truth . . . . we all come from different perspectives. i found nothing in jolie's posts to be condescending. she was explaining, via her business experience, her perspective on the subject of the thread.

    i do find condescension in some posts belittling conservative thoughts and ideals.

    depends on where we sit . . .. although i could probably dissect posts to show where i find this . . but i won't.

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