RNs protest Gov. Snyder's "Right to Work" corporate takeover - page 6

With their mouths taped shut, RNs protest Gov. Snyder's "Right to Work" corporate takeover Michigan Nurses Association protests on the Capitol steps in Lansing against Michigan Right To Work... Read More

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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    Where I work now (a government unionized facility) the LPNs make up to 27 dollars an hr. Our CNAs make up to 20. And our cost of living is comparable to the south. How many of you in "right to work" states can compete with that? .

    I see that as part of the problem. In practically every thread on AN regarding where nurses seek information on possible employment, those who live in a particular area will highlight that the cost of living and the wages are tied together.

    So, just curious, if you live in an area where the cost of living is comparable to the south, why do you not get paid accordingly? What makes you worth more in dollars in an area where nothing else is worth more than what the cost of living there dictates?

    Simple answer, of course. The government has made it so. I find this a misuse of government funds, frankly. Now if you lived in an area where the COL is higher, I can see it. And in all my nursing union contract negotiations over the past 30 years, never once were we allowed to use wages levels of any hospitals other than those in our immediate area as comparables. Actually, never once did we even attempt to do so. We would have been laughed out of the room. But your government union not only did it but got away with it. As a taxpayer, I object to that.
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    Well, I'm a taxpayer, too.

    And of course our union fought hard to get us the highest wages possible..... that's what unions do. It's called collective bargaining.

    With that said, I suppose I should backtrack a little here and admit that our cost of living IS probably a bit higher than the South. As a Midwest state we're well below the east and west coast's COL, yet where I work we make wages comparable to nurses in big cities on the coast, that's what our union achieved for us.
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    And maybe this sounds cold, but if one is smart/savvy enough to get a plumb government job, than I say one deserves the pay and benefits that come with it. I had my sights set on this job early on in nursing school, and I worked methodically toward snagging it. I'm not going to give up my position without a fight. If I wanted a crappy job with crappy wages and crappy benefits, well, I would have taken a job at one of those crappy cooperate nursing homes.
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    Well, I'm a taxpayer, too.

    And of course our union fought hard to get us the highest wages possible..... that's what unions do. It's called collective bargaining.

    With that said, I suppose I should backtrack a little here and admit that our cost of living IS probably a bit higher than the South. As a Midwest state we're well below the east and west coast's COL, yet where I work we make wages comparable to nurses in big cities on the coast, that's what our union achieved for us.
    That makes it a little more acceptable in my view.

    Again, looking back on my years on our negotiating team, do you know what your union used as comparables during contract talks? Certainly they didn't use any local facilities from the sound of it. Sounds to me like the administration just caved because it was the government.

    And do the local, non government facilities try to use your wages as comps during their talks? This is very interesting to me, having the experience I have in two different states, with three different unions for 30 years of negotiating team experience.
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    That makes it a little more acceptable in my view.Again, looking back on my years on our negotiating team, do you know what your union used as comparables during contract talks? Certainly they didn't use any local facilities from the sound of it. Sounds to me like the
    administration just caved because it was the government.And do the local, non government facilities try to use your wages as comps during their talks? This is very interesting to me, having the experience I
    have in two different states, with three different unionsfor 30 years of negotiating team experience.
    To be honest, I have no idea. They must have bypassed regional comparisons
    entirely, because our pay rates are quite higher. Especially for our CNAs. Our pay range for them starts at 14.70 an hour. Most CNAs regionally start at 9.00 an hr.
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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    To be honest, I have no idea. They must have bypassed regional comparisons
    entirely, because our pay rates are quite higher. Especially for our CNAs. Our pay range for them starts at 14.70 an hour. Most CNAs regionally start at 9.00 an hr.
    Coming from my conservative viewpoint: wonder why the government doesn't expect you to "spread your wealth" with those making less than you!
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    Coming from my conservative viewpoint: wonder why the government doesn't expect you to "spread your wealth" with those making less than you!
    Shouldn't a conservative be happy that an undereducated single mom working as a CNA can make a living wage.... as opposed to living off welfare? Trust me, all those aides making "market value" wages don't make enough to live off without assistance. Most of the people on welfare ARE working. They're the working poor.
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    Quote from tntrn
    So, just curious, if you live in an area where the cost of living is comparable to the south, why do you not get paid accordingly? What makes you worth more in dollars in an area where nothing else is worth more than what the cost of living there dictates?
    This logical fallacy is exactly the problem with the conservative movement. Its the other way around: He is not paid too well! I am paid too little!!!!!!!!

    Why shouldn't we make more money than we do? The truth is big businesses like the idea of the "market" setting the wages until there is a shortage of people willing to work in a set of working conditions. They then go running to the government begging them for cheap foreign imports from the phillipines, etc. The correct answer was to let wages go up but that's not going to happen if businesses and their conservative allies have their way.

    I am an RN with a BSN and 2.5 years of ER experience working in the metro ATL area. I make 23.99 as my base. The LPNs usually make between 16 and 18 working in clinics and LTCs. I haven't been on vacation with my kids in 8 years and I can barely afford my modest car note, much less savings for retirement, college or anything else. This is no kind of way to live!

    Nothing is for nothing. If the union pays the best, the hospital probably has less turnover and therefore less hiring and orienting costs. The states with higher minimum wages and higher wages generally net produce tax revenue while red states like mine are net consumers of tax revenue. Its time to ask corporations to take responsibility for their employees.
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    I am an RN with a BSN and 2.5 years of ER experience .
    An you think 2.5 years experience should put you at the top of the pay scale?
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    An you think 2.5 years experience should put you at the top of the pay scale?
    Talk about missing the forest for the trees!! I think the whole pay scale is wrong in my area and we don't make enough no matter where we are on the food chain! On the west coast, I can command better working conditions and at least 10/ hr more! And col doesn't eat it all up!
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    Labor unions are part of living in a free society. Totalitarian governments don't tolerate activities by individuals or groups such as labor unions that are not directed by the state's goals.

    Polish Solidarity, the anti-communist trade union and their social reform movement ended communism in east central Europe.

    In early 1963, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. organized a "Walk to Freedom" in Detroit, an event intended as a warm up for the "March on Washington." The UAW gave King an office, staff, and financial support. UAW President Walter Reuther walked alongside Doctor King at the event. Photos below:

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    You have the choice of moving to the West Coast. Higher pay and higher taxes and if you are talking California, a state bound for bankruptcy.
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    You have the choice of moving to the West Coast. Higher pay and higher taxes and if you are talking California, a state bound for bankruptcy.
    Maybe California can get some federal money.... oh, wait, I forgot, all the federal money is going to subsidize the Red States.....
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