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  1. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from heron
    Of course they won't release to the FBI - they have the resources to actually investigate any allegations. If they give it to a non-critical public first, the meme is out there before any fact-finding can take place. It's a kind of riff on the way faux news gets bounced from site to site. Propaganda 101. The Russian bots know their business.
    Investigate their own department? It's like investigating yourself. You won't find any wrongdoing, and if you do, you're surely not going to tell the world.

    If the memo has proof, what is there to investigate?

    Oh, release something not entirely true, and later, even why trying to correct the mistake, the deed is already done and people have already made up their minds? You mean like the thousands of retractions from mainstream media? At least in this instance, it's not just an "anonymous source", but a factual document, that won't be skewed to fit a narrative.

    But oh, the Russians. THAT'S not a conspiracy.
  2. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from MunoRN
    What do you think is preventing them from releasing it?
    I think you're mistaking releasing with leaking. There's a good reason it's not being leaked. It's because the leakers don't want it leaked or released.

    Schiff is all about transparency, until he isn't, because "people won't understand it".

    Do you think you have the ability to understand the memo?
  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from itsybitsy
    Do you have any idea what you're talking about? The memo supposably shows abuse BY the FBI. Why hand it over?
    Because a Trump appointee is the director of the FBI and he should know what the allegations and evidence are so that he can fix whatever problems Nunes and his staffers have cataloged?
  4. by   MunoRN
    Quote from itsybitsy
    Uh, it's classified... The intelligence committee has to vote to release it to the public, voting on whether it's release outweighs security risks. President Trump then has 5 days after that to recommend not releasing it. If he recommends not releasing it, it get turned over to the House to vote for it's declassification.

    It contains proof I'm guessing.
    The republicans on the Intelligence Committee can release it all by themselves, they would then need Trump's approval although Trump has already said he approves of releasing it.

    Quote from itsybitsy
    Manafort pled guilty to charges that came to light because of the Russia investigation, yes. However, those charges have nothing to do with the election. His charges are for money laundering and tax evasion. So bringing that up is pointless if you are trying to convince that Russian interference is legitamate.
    Manafort has been indicted for multiple charges, including Conspiracy against the United States, and was also Trump's campaign manager, I'm not sure that really counts as having "nothing to do with the election" and certainly doesn't count as having nothing to do with the Trump campaign.
  5. by   MunoRN
    Quote from itsybitsy
    I think you're mistaking releasing with leaking. There's a good reason it's not being leaked. It's because the leakers don't want it leaked or released.
    If an individual not authorized to release classified information were to do so, then that is "leaking", when the Intelligence Committee votes to release it's own memo and there is no executive branch hold on the release, then that is releasing, not leaking.

    Quote from itsybitsy
    Do you think you have the ability to understand the memo?
    I have until now found you to be an intriguing participant in discussions, separate from the far, far right trolls that occasionally grace us with an enthusiastic flurry of name calling and little if any substance. I have even gotten snippy with the mods about them shutting down your previous threads and defended your discussions. When you refrain from effectively calling people stupid you do actually make some good points, but that's all lost when you just resort to name calling instead.
  6. by   Lil Nel
    OMG. Nunes? Nothing more that a Trumpster with ZERO credibility. Zero.

    Maybe he and itsty bitsy should be chasing Hezbollah together.

    It is so clear what is going here, and what has been going: An attack on the FBI in an effort to discredit the Mueller investigation.

    Geez. How do some folks not see what is so obvious to the majority of Americans. You know, the majority who don't believe that Trump is a genius, and is moving the country in the wrong direction.


    The Memo, The Bureau And The Missing Texts: Get Caught Up On The War Over The FBI : NPR
  7. by   elkpark
    The "memo" is nothing but a new "shiny object" designed to distract people from actual news and facts and smear the FBI and Mueller investigation, written by a well-known Trump apologist and henchman.

    The congressional GOP members are doing everything they can to lay the groundwork to discredit the Mueller investigation so they can try to deny and ignore the results when they are finally released. Gee, they must be really worried about what he is finding!
    Last edit by elkpark on Jan 24
  8. by   MunoRN
    It's still not clear why Nunes is involved in this at all since he was forced to recuse himself from the Russia investigation even by fellow Republicans for working in coordination with the White House to discredit the investigation last March.

    All we know about what's in the memo comes from Congressional members who have seen it, and it doesn't appear to include any new information. The memo supposedly contends that the "Steele Dossier" served as the basis for some aspects of the investigation including FISA warrants which has already been assumed to be a possibility prior to the memo. This would potentially raise eyebrows if the Dossier was known to be a fabricated or otherwise unreliable source, but much of the Dossier has already been shown to be correct, so it was reasonable for the FBI to investigate the information it contained. An actual controversy would have been if the FBI for some reason ignored potential evidence of crimes based on political influences, which is apparently what some Trump supporters are contending should have happened.
  9. by   SC_RNDude
    While the Mueller investigation is obviously a farce, I'm also skeptical of the memo. If it's as jaw-dropping as many republicans are making it out to be, there should have been a way to get it out by now. Or, at least have those involved removed from their government positions.
  10. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    While the Mueller investigation is obviously a farce, I'm also skeptical of the memo. If it's as jaw-dropping as many republicans are making it out to be, there should have been a way to get it out by now. Or, at least have those involved removed from their government positions.
    Why do you think the Mueller investigation is a farce? Several members of Trump's staff have been indicted for breaking the law as a result of this investigation. Do you think they were wrongfully charged?
  11. by   toomuchbaloney
    The Mueller investigation is obviously a farce?

    Obviously?

    Bwahahaha
  12. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Why do you think the Mueller investigation is a farce? Several members of Trump's staff have been indicted for breaking the law as a result of this investigation. Do you think they were wrongfully charged?
    Well, to start with he wasn't given anything specific to investigate. He hired a very partisan team to do the investigating. Manafort was charged with not registering as a foreign agent. Something that has been prosecuted 7 times (1 conviction) in the last 40 years. The most collusion that has come to light has more to do with Democrats then Trump... and it goes on.
  13. by   MunoRN
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Well, to start with he wasn't given anything specific to investigate. He hired a very partisan team to do the investigating. Manafort was charged with not registering as a foreign agent. Something that has been prosecuted 7 times (1 conviction) in the last 40 years. The most collusion that has come to light has more to do with Democrats then Trump... and it goes on.
    I'm not clear what you mean by "the most collusion that has come to light has more to do with Democrats then Trump".

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