Rand Paul filibustering

  1. 3 http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

    Live stream of debate here.

    I have to say....I don't like Rand Paul nearly as much as I like his dad, and I'm not entirely convinced this is NOT a political rather principled move, but I have to agree that drone strikes on US citizens on US soil is unconstitutional, and the administration has not exactly been forthcoming with an answer on its position.
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    About Elvish, BSN, RN

    Elvish has 'a few' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'Community, OB, Nursery'. From 'Where the bluebirds sing...'; 36 Years Old; Joined Nov '06; Posts: 19,527; Likes: 19,808.

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  4. Visit  Spidey's mom profile page
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    I like him better than his dad.

    I've been following his filibustering through the evening (Spidey and I watched "Wreck It Ralph" together).

    Good for him for taking a principled stand. There is a photo on his FB page with his mom standing up for him in front of her tv set.

    (I tried to share the photo on FB with you . . . didn't work).
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Mar 7, '13
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  5. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    And thank you Rand Paul for actually taking the floor in a filibuster rather than utilize the currently accepted lazy and unprincipled filibuster.
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  6. Visit  StNeotser profile page
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    I admire the fact that he filibustered properly too.

    Also saw this quote...........

    UPDATE – 12:45 AM: Sen. Rand Paul finally yields the floor after 12 hours and 52 minutes, saying, “I’ve discovered there are some limits to filibustering, and I’m going to have to take care of one of them in a few minutes.”

    My immediate thoughts were that perhaps a foley would have improved staying power.
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    See, now if he were a nurse instead of a doctor, he could've gone at least another six hours.

    I have serious issues with drones, whether in the US or abroad, and am glad he brought as much attention to it as he did.
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  8. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    I'm glad he did it. I hope the discussion continues. Maybe he will follow with a bill to make it illegal to use drones to kill Americans.
    I heard a radio host speculate that a drone could have stopped Timothy Ms Veigh before he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City.

    I think if it had been known the local police and FBI could have stopped him and arrested him.
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  9. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    In 1957 Senator Strom Thurmond filibustered against civil rights for Negros.
    The Longest Filibuster In History Lasted More Than A Day-Here's How It Went Down

    • Thurmond took a steam bath earlier in the day to rid his body of excess liquid. This avoided the potential for any "accidents" in the chamber.
    • He went to the floor armed with cough drops and malted milk tablets.
    • He allowed others to make short remarks and ask questions during his time, allowing him to sneak off to the cloakroom to gobble a sandwich.
    • He had his aide wait in the cloakroom with a pail when he was about to step down from the dais in case of an emergency evacuation. ...
      http://www.businessinsider.com/longe...nd-paul-2013-3


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    Quote from herring_RN
    I heard a radio host speculate that a drone could have stopped Timothy Ms Veigh before he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City.

    I think if it had been known the local police and FBI could have stopped him and arrested him.
    One of the final points made in defense of drones was that they could've taken down the last of the 9/11 planes (the one that crashed in PA). Rand's response to that was that where there is clear hostile intent and an immediate threat to life and property (and who doubted that after the Twin Towers, then the Pentagon?), then force can and should be used. But there is a clear distinction between that situation and, say, a private citizen who is infringing on no one else's rights. Where there is no immediate threat, no force - and no violation of said citizen's rights - is justifiable.
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  11. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    I think an individual such as McVeigh or the police officer turned terrorist could be offered a chance to be arrested by a SWAT team. With a drone there can be no chance of a trial.
    And a chance of error and/or collateral killing of innocent people.
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  12. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    Yep, when he was a Democrat. Just like Robert Byrd the last KKK member of the Senate and Al Gore's father another Democrat vehemently opposed civil rights. If it were not for Republicans the Civil Rights act would not have passed.
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    In 1957 Senator Strom Thurmond filibustered against civil rights for Negros.
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    Yep, when he was a Democrat. Just like Robert Byrd the last KKK member of the Senate and Al Gore's father another Democrat vehemently opposed civil rights. If it were not for Republicans the Civil Rights act would not have passed.
    LOTS of people, Republican and Democrat, opposed civil rights a few decades back.

    Spidey's mom is a conservative, herring is liberal, and tewdles and I are libertarians. This was a nice thread where most of us agreed with Dr. Paul on drones and think it was high time someone, ANYONE, questioned their use.
    Last edit by Elvish on Mar 7, '13
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  14. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from Elvish
    See, now if he were a nurse instead of a doctor, he could've gone at least another six hours.

    I have serious issues with drones, whether in the US or abroad, and am glad he brought as much attention to it as he did.
    Somebody should have hooked him up a condom cath and a leg bag...just sayin
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  15. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    Strom Thurmond was the only Republican Senator to vote against the civil rights act in 1965. So no, lots of Republicans did not vote against it but a lot of Democrat Senators did.


    Quote from Elvish
    LOTS of people, Republican and Democrat, opposed civil rights a few decades back.

    Spidey's mom is a conservative, herring is liberal, and tewdles and I are libertarians. This was a nice thread where most of us agreed with Dr. Paul on drones and think it was high time someone, ANYONE, questioned their use.


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