Partisan vetting - page 13

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Some people are extremely worried about Romney, but I have to ask, Again, where were all of you before Obama was elected. And even now....there are piles of evidence that he took campaign cash from (evil) people at Bain, that... Read More


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    Quote from tewdles
    really?
    the treatment of GWB 43 by the liberals has caused the disrespect of presidents in general???

    So...if dems booed Bush then that makes yelling "liar" at the POTUS during a congressional address by a rep ok and expected?
    During the entire Bush presidency I continued to get emails outlining the depravity of both Bill and Hillary Clinton from my conservative friends, family, and acquaintances. As if that makes sense...we won't even discuss the fact that the content was ridiculous and unfactual. That predates 43...did the dems cause that too?

    IMHO, blaming any particular political party for the intolerant and unacceptable behavior, comments, and positions of our elected officials in general is silly and without merit. It mostly points to the political bias of the writer, again, IMHO.
    I don't intend to justify bad behavior on one side simply by pointing to the bad behavior of the other side. But I do believe that overt disrespect of the sitting president took a major turn for the worse during the Bush 43 years. Perhaps Tweety is correct in his belief that the circumstances of Bush's electoral victory emboldened the Democrat opposition in its relentless attacks on the president. And I believe as such behavior became the accepted norm in politics, societal expectations were lowered, allowing increasingly bad behavior to be tolerated, then fully accepted.

    It is a matter of defining deviancy downward, and both political parties, as well as society in general have actively participated in this sad and disgraceful process, as evidenced by the success of attack ads and relative ineffectiveness of positive campaigning.
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    [quote=aknottedyarn;6751331
    please don't try to rewrite history. facts are too easy to find.
    [/quote]

    if you are addressing me, please re-read my posts. i have not discussed the tea party. i have discussed the opposition many conservatives expressed to bush's spending, as well as some of his more liberal policies. to assert that this opposition materialized overnight with obama's presidency is to ignore inconvenient facts.
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    Quote from Jolie
    No one says you're not allowed to complain. But I will call you out for claiming that the criticism of spending and bashing of the president happened overnight upon Obama's inauguration.

    Not true.
    It took 30 days to make it a formal protest. You are right, it did not happen overnight.
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    It took 30 days to make it a formal protest. You are right, it did not happen overnight.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=1335567

    This NPR broadcast from July, 2003 is evidence that conservatives criticized and opposed Bush's spending while Obama was still voting "present" in the IL State Senate.

    Your unwillingness to acknowledge facts does not change them.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/oba...lative-record/
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    Quote from jolie
    no one says you're not allowed to complain. but i will call you out for claiming that the criticism of spending and bashing of the president happened overnight upon obama's inauguration.

    not true.

    call me out all you want. i can take it. i enjoy the discussion.

    but please read and understand my posts first. i have acknowledged several times above that criticism for bush spending existed from the conservatives. i did say i don't remember much discussion from you or anyone here on this forum about it, but that was a long time ago, and said i didn't doubt you.

    that conservatives didn't band together and form the tea party and take to the streets with ugly signs and protests is what i find interesting. that it only reached a boiling point six years later and they took to the streets is my issue.

    so yes, conservatives didn't like bushes runaway spending.

    for the third time my issue is that the tea party formed after obama was elected. sour grapes perhaps on my part and really a moot point four years later.
    Last edit by Tweety on Jul 27, '12
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    Jolie I am going to have to stand firm that the political vitriol that we suffer through today is not the fault of one party over another. That is very much the pot calling the kettle black. Both parties have long engaged in less than desireable and less than honest communication until it is now completely unacceptable. The two party system is broken, and the owners (money) do not want to fix it.
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    Quote from Jolie
    I don't intend to justify bad behavior on one side simply by pointing to the bad behavior of the other side. But I do believe that overt disrespect of the sitting president took a major turn for the worse during the Bush 43 years. Perhaps Tweety is correct in his belief that the circumstances of Bush's electoral victory emboldened the Democrat opposition in its relentless attacks on the president. And I believe as such behavior became the accepted norm in politics, societal expectations were lowered, allowing increasingly bad behavior to be tolerated, then fully accepted.

    It is a matter of defining deviancy downward, and both political parties, as well as society in general have actively participated in this sad and disgraceful process, as evidenced by the success of attack ads and relative ineffectiveness of positive campaigning.
    Perhaps you don't recall the vitriol surrounding the Clinton presidency?...
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