Obesity - Global Warming-deficit- Obamacare - page 5

As I plan to join an (ending) obesity campaign in the near future... I'd like to bring this topic up from a different Angle. I believe obesity is one of the most important epidemics facing our... Read More

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    Cars are burning nearly a billion gallons of gas more a year compared to the 1960's, an extra 938 milion gallons per year.
    Kind of a false claim here. In 1960, worldwide there were 126,888,000 million cars registered worldwide. In 2010, there were 1,015,261,000 Billion cars registered world wide. These figures for both years include cars trucks and busses. That would show that with only an increse of a billion gallons a year for an increase of a billion cars, the "carbon footprint" of each car is getting smaller.

    Frankly I find this whole "global warming/climate change" argument to be so full of holes it is unbelievable. The data shows we are getting colder or staying the same for the last 15 years...

    and come on blaming the obese is stupid...
  4. Visit  Heathermaizey} profile page
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    I respectfully disagree with pretty much all of this. How do obese people cause more food packaging? I'm kind of blown away by that. We in the United States are pretty aware of the environment. We make environmentally friendly everything. With the whole gas thing. That does not have to do with people getting fatter, it has to do with the fact that more people in countries like China and India are driving. And they are driving cars that are not energy efficient. That is a proven fact. Most people in those countries rode bicycles even 20 years ago. Now the Chinese are making cars very cheaply and people in these countries can afford them now. Unless everyone once to go back to the horse drawn buggy days, cars and trucks are here to stay.

    If you look back to the beginning of time our planet has gone through many, many stages. The fact that the planet is in a warming cycle is really not a surprise. Especially with the sun going through it's changes in it's life cycle. The sun is starting very slowly to warm. That's just the life cycle of a star. The Earth will end someday. That is guaranteed. Our star will burn out and die. You also have to look at the fact that our moon which keeps our planet in it's orbit with gravity is slowly moving away from us. What happens when it gets too far away and the Earth gets out of it's orbit? It may happen.

    My point is there are so many things happening to our planet. Everything that is going to happen, will happen long after we are dead and gone. Obese people are absolutely not to blame to "Global Warming." They are a strain on the health care system, but not Global Warming.
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    Again, this means very little. Almost every apartment, even low income apartments come with a stove and refrigerator. If you are on food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid you probably qualify for a pre paid cell phone. My sister in law bought an old TV at the thrift store for 25 dollars. VCRs are so out of date, that the reason so many still have them is that probably can't afford a DVD player (which is why more have a VCR vs DVD). Again, many of these people are "newly poor". They had these things prior to losing their jobs. I'm sure if they are still unable to find work, you will see a lot of things decrease in a few years.

    It really is a ridiculous argument. There truly is a difference between growing up in poverty as many inner city people do, and losing your job and finding yourself poor while still living in the suburbs.
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    "Kyrshmarks"

    Frankly I find this whole "global warming/climate change" argument to be so full of holes it is unbelievable. The data shows we are getting colder or staying the same for the last 15 years...
    and come on blaming the obese is stupid..."

    I couldn't agree more! Science is always changing.
    My point is to try and show people how whacky our government is.
    First we have to pay for "science" when scientists thought eggs were bad for you at one time. I remember we told all patients to avoid eggs if they had high cholesterol. Now, it's not the case.

    Today, we have a government spending money on "research" on global warming that may or may not evern effect us before the world ends from a nuclear war.

    We know for a fact that Terrorism does and will happen. We know for a fact that the government has run out of money and continues to spend our money on things that don't matter right now. We know for a fact that our government does not know how to prioritize critical matters...and I know for a fact that if I expected taxpayers to pay for ways to protect us from "tribulation" nobody would go for it. The same goes for global warming. It's such a mute point when our government is in complete.chaos and obesity out of control!

    Obesity is a much bigger concern than global warming.

    Why Obese article with global warming? To show people how ridiculous this global warming idea has become...and how far people are going to run with it.

    I also wanted to see how far people are willing to give up their favorite things to "save the environment". Not too many really care when it comes right down to it.
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    Quote from Heathermaizey
    I respectfully disagree with pretty much all of this. How do obese people cause more food packaging? I'm kind of blown away by that. We in the United States are pretty aware of the environment. We make environmentally friendly everything. With the whole gas thing. That does not have to do with people getting fatter, it has to do with the fact that more people in countries like China and India are driving. And they are driving cars that are not energy efficient. That is a proven fact. Most people in those countries rode bicycles even 20 years ago. Now the Chinese are making cars very cheaply and people in these countries can afford them now. Unless everyone once to go back to the horse drawn buggy days, cars and trucks are here to stay.

    If you look back to the beginning of time our planet has gone through many, many stages. The fact that the planet is in a warming cycle is really not a surprise. Especially with the sun going through it's changes in it's life cycle. The sun is starting very slowly to warm. That's just the life cycle of a star. The Earth will end someday. That is guaranteed. Our star will burn out and die. You also have to look at the fact that our moon which keeps our planet in it's orbit with gravity is slowly moving away from us. What happens when it gets too far away and the Earth gets out of it's orbit? It may happen.

    My point is there are so many things happening to our planet. Everything that is going to happen, will happen long after we are dead and gone. Obese people are absolutely not to blame to "Global Warming." They are a strain on the health care system, but not Global Warming.
    So the strain on the health care is much more of a priority than Global warming research?
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    Again, this means very little. Almost every apartment,c apartments come with a stove and refrigerator. If you are on food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid you probabstapre paid cell phone. My sister in law bought an old TV at the thrift . ore for 25 dollars. VCRs are so out of date, that the reason so many still have them is that probably can't afford a DVD player (which is why more have a VCR vs DVD). Again, many of these people are "newly poor". They had these things prior to losing their jobstore sure if they are still unable to find work, you will see a lot of things decrease in a few years.

    It really is a ridiculous argument. There truly is a difference between growing up in poverty as many inner city people do, and losing your job and finding yourself poor while still living in the suburbs.
    So your argument was that the majority of the obese are so poor they can't afford to shop for health food? Please help me to understand. I am trying to show you that obesity is a crisis in this country. I am trying to discuss solutions, and our first road block is "transportation and lack of stores" correct?
    The statistics tell us that approx "15% "are living in poverty. But did you know that this 15% does not include those who are receiving benefits? In other words, if we tripled the amount of food stamps, gave more housing, more cell phones, etc. The numbers would not change. It's an inaccurate picture of "true poverty".

    I don't doubt that you see low income families who don't drive and who are struggling, but do you believe this is the main problem for obesity in this country?
  9. Visit  BCgradnurse} profile page
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    We know you are obsessed with obesity, and that you think it's due to people just not doing the right thing. No one disputes that obesity is a problem, although you don't seem to be hearing that. What most of us are trying to explain is that there are often barriers to eating well. REAL barriers. It is not a moral failing to be overweight, just as it is not a moral failing to be poor, to be a smoker, to drink too much. They are complex public health issues and need to be addressed as such. We do not all agree with you that obesity is the worst problem facing this country today, just as you do not agree that global warming is a problem. That's ok, we all don't have to agree. It's fine to be passionate about something and share your passion. But understand that not everyone feels the same way you do about this subject, and people will question and challenge you. We continue to go around and around in circles on these same subjects in several threads. Maybe it's time to move on to something else.
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    If we reduced the BMI by 5% we could save this country approx 611.7 Billion within 20 years.

    I have a few questions for you all.
    1. What do you think is the most pressing health issue facing the US if it's not Obesity?
    2. If you agree, tell me why you suppose it's not addressed by our politicians more? Why do we not see this in campaign ads "My main health care goal is to fight obesity in this country". Do you think they'd lose votes? And if they won't address it due to politics, does that make anyone extremely disappointed? Would you not vote for a politician if their first health care goal was to end obesity vs end global warming?
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    We know you are obsessed with obesity, and that you think it's due to people just not doing the righithing. No one disputes that obesity is a problem, although you don't seem to be hearing that. What most of us are trying to explain is that there are often barriers to eating well. REAL barriers. It is not a moral failing to be overweight, just as it is not a moral failing to be poor, to be a smoker, to drink too much. They are complex public health issues and need to be addressed as such. We do not all agree with you that obesity is the worst problem facing this country today, just as you do not agree that global warming is a problem. That's ok, we all don't have to agree. It's fine to be passionate about something and share your passion. But understand that not everyone feels the same way you do about this subject, and people will question and challenge you. We continue to go around and around in circles on these same subjects in several threads. Maybe it's time to move on to something else.
    I seriously can not believe anyone would think Global warming is more of a threat to human lives at this point. Its research proves otherwise. Are you completely serious? This is not a conservative issue at all. In fact, more democrats I think would agree. Please show me any proof that Global warming is more pressing than obesity? Just one that says it won't destroy a life quicker than global warming research, that it won't drain our economy quicker than the ozone layer depletion. Even Michelle Obama tried to change public schools lunch program as a priority. I am not sure what you are seeing that I am not.
    Last edit by jaad on Jan 16, '14
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    Well - Michelle Obama tried to address obesity and the neocons just about lost their minds. Not enough blaming and shaming for them, I guess.
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    Heron, now we are getting somewhere.
    The Pew Research revealed that 4-5 liberal democrats (80%) say the government should have a major role tackling the issue of obesity, but only 19% of the public rated it top priority.

    So, on this issue, I don't agree with republican's, if the majority don't want to deal with i (when it's the most epidemic health crisis, costing us the most, and destroys health the most). If Republican's are not addressing it due to politics, it's another reason I dislike our government...but I want to put politics aside on this issue if obesity is one huge issue for destroying this countries health.

    What I am more interested in knowing from those on this forum is this.. would the majority liberals on this forum agree that obesity should be top priority?

    If it's not a top priority, and you disagree with Michelle Obama for trying to make a difference, tell me why?
    Last edit by jaad on Jan 16, '14
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    Quote from jaad
    I seriously can not believe anyone would think Global warming is more of a threat to human lives at this point. Its research proves otherwise. Are you completely serious? This is not a conservative issue at all. In fact, more democrats I think would agree. Please show me any proof that Global warming is more pressing than obesity? Just one that says it won't destroy a life quicker than global warming research, that it won't drain our economy quicker than the ozone layer depletion. Even Michelle Obama tried to change public schools lunch program as a priority. I am not sure what you are seeing that I am not.
    I'm not sure why you think global warming vs obesity is a on-or-the-other decision.

    The potential threat of climate change is less immediate but many, many times more severe. I guess I'm still not sure where exactly you disagree with the basic premise of global warming. Do we produce less CO2 than we think we do? Are out-of-whack CO2 levels not capable of altering the climate? Is the increase of a few degrees not actually something to worry about?


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