Obesity - Global Warming-deficit- Obamacare - page 13

by jaad 3,980 Views | 139 Comments

As I plan to join an (ending) obesity campaign in the near future... I'd like to bring this topic up from a different Angle. I believe obesity is one of the most important epidemics facing our country...and costing us... Read More


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    Quote from StNeotser
    Wish my governor would say it. Seriously, wasn't he just talking about extremists?
    He was talking about extremists in the Senate. What he was saying was that if you are a Republican conservative extremists, the majority of New Yorkers would not want you, as the majority of New Yorkers do not agree with your views. That being said, it was a crappy comment.

    Most New Yorkers are pro gun. Hunting is a big part of life here. It isn't that New Yorkers are anti gun, most would just like to see tighter control especially when it comes to assault weapons. We also would like to see ways to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable individuals. We now have the gun reporting law which allows doctors who see violent, unstable patients to put them into the data base so they will be unable to purchase weapons. We won't be able to prevent everybody with mental illness from obtaining a gun, but it is a start. And no, it won't prevent street thugs from obtaining guns illegally, but criminals tend to get their guns illegally and use them for street crimes. The mentally ill will go to Wal Mart and buy their guns legally and then go into a school or movie theater and shoot up innocents.
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    For all those bashing on New York, let me tell you that this is pretty nice state to live in. We are not New York City. That is a very small bottom corner of the state. Most of New York is pretty rural. I have lived in this state for almost 40 years and have never stepped foot in New York city. Yes, my area has poverty, but we also have some really beautiful places to live. Hunting and fishing are a big part of life for many of us. We have the Adirondack State Park, Niagara Falls, the Thousand Islands. While there are no manufacturing jobs left (leaving way too many unemployed or underemployed) there is still some opportunity in the medical/health fields or in the computer/engineering area. One can buy a brand new 4 or 5 bedroom home in an upscale neighborhood starting around 190k. We have very good suburban schools with good athletic programs. It isn't a bad place to raise a family.

    We also have the same problems with our state government that many other states have. We have too many do nothings or self serving politicians in office. We pay a lot in taxes and see too few results for the effort. We have the same inequality that seems to be infecting the rest of the country. But most New Yorkers are middle of the road, tolerant folks.

    One thing we seem to do better than anyone else is snow. Oswego, NY is the snowiest city in the country. For those poor people, having a foot of snow drop overnight doesn't even warrant shoveling the driveway. Syracuse is just a little behind Oswego in snowfall. So if you don't like the cold (-20 today) or snow, this is definitely not the place for you.
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    I have visited NYC once and loved it, but politics now would keep me from going and spending money there. I feel the same way about Seattle and I live 40 minutes away.

    I would love to visit other parts of New York, though.
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    Quote from tntrn
    I have visited NYC once and loved it, but politics now would keep me from going and spending money there. I feel the same way about Seattle and I live 40 minutes away.

    I would love to visit other parts of New York, though.
    Like I said, I've never been to NYC and have no desire to go there. I live closer to Canada. I have been to Toronto though and that was pretty nice. There is so much more to the state than NYC. It really is a great place if you like camping, hiking, snowmobiling, boating, skiing, hunting or fishing.
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    Quote from Pudnluv
    He was talking about extremists in the Senate. What he was saying was that if you are a Republican conservative extremists, the majority of New Yorkers would not want you, as the majority of New Yorkers do not agree with your views. That being said, it was a crappy comment.

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    I think it was not only crappy, it was down right foolish. NYC should never turn down a group of people, especially those who believe in a "vibrant economy creating jobs and higher standards of living for future generations".

    Unfortunately, more food stamp recipient's will not grow the economy.
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    I would like to point out a few things that no one here seems to have considered.

    1. Research has shown that healthy habits, not weight, are the best determinant of health. An obese person, even if they are "morbidly obese," who is active, gets plenty of sleep, does not smoke, etc, is stastistically healthier than a thin person who does not follow healthy habits.
    2. Research has shown that weight loss is not evidenced based medicine. So for all of you who think an MD or NP who prescribes weight loss to an overweight patient is doing them a favor, in the grand scheme of things they are doing more harm than good. Here's why:
    -Long term studies have shown that less than 5% of people who attempt intententional weight loss are able to maintain the weight loss after 5 years.
    -Many people who do succeed in losing weight in the short term will not only gain back the weight they lost, but will gain even more weight and end up heavier than when they started.
    -Dieting and weight cycling (yo-yo dieting) are associasted with the same health problems as those correlated with obesity.
    -Many people who attempt to follow the doctor's orders and lose weight to become "healthier" will give up their healthy behaviors when they fail to have the indended effect of weight loss.

    A much better answer than focusing on obesity as a public health problem, which it is not, is to focus on healthy behaviors as a public health solution. Put the education out there. Make safe and enjoyable movement options available and affordable to all. Make healthy food choices available and affordable to all. Make non-weight focused health screenings free and accessible to all. Take the BMI out of the discussion completely.

    What people seem to miss is how damaging the "obesity is bad" aka "fat people are bad" aka "obesity is unhealthy" aka IF YOU ARE FAT YOU WILL GET DIABETES, HYPERTENSION, CORNARY ARTERY DISEASE, and you will DIE an early death message really is. This does a disservice to both fat people and thin alike. Thin people are presumed healthy simply because of their body size, while fat people are presumed to be a ticking fat time bomb. Studies do not bear out these presumptions.

    And the whole "Oh no, my tax dollars!!!" is a crock of poo. That's a whole other topic for another thread.

    The War on Obesity is a horribly misguided assault on a group of people based on how they look. That's called bigotry folks.
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    The thin attracdtive person may have unhealthy and/or unsafe habits that are not yet visible.
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    Airbrushing has presented such an incorrect view of the human body. Just this week a popular department store had to pull an ad that showed retouched thighs that were anatomically impossible. It is not the first time these things have been shown. Somehow we equate thin with beauty and health. In general, we see tan bodies and at the same time we know that tanning is not good for us. Of course if you are a woman of color, the magazines are likely to airbrush you whiter. This is so unfair. If you look at the Olympic athletes you note that they have muscles. They are certainly healthy, are good looking, and most do not have beautifully proportioned bodies. Their sport dictates which muscle groups become enlarged. Certainly not every person you meet is an Olympic contender or even more than a weekend warrior. That does not dismiss the fact that their bodies may not be totally proportioned or look like they have been airbrushed.

    We need to do all the right things we can for our bodies and our lives. How our bodies respond is very individual. We know that to be true. It still is correct to eat right, exercise, get sun, use sun screen, increase fiber, increase fluids, etc.

    Teach our children not to compare their bodies to those airbrushed fake magazine bodies.
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    How many of us saw this on FB recently?
    Target Apologizes for ‘Thigh Gap’ Photoshop Fail - ABC News
    What followed for me was an avalanche of examples of women's bodies being altered in the media to achieve some unrealistic version of beauty. Women are never thin enough or pretty enough it seems.

    I wonder, who decided that women were supposed to have thighs like young boys in order to be sexy or attractive?
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    Quote from Delicate Flower
    What people seem to miss is how damaging the "obesity is bad" aka "fat people are bad" aka "obesity is unhealthy" aka IF YOU ARE FAT YOU WILL GET DIABETES, HYPERTENSION, CORNARY ARTERY DISEASE, and you will DIE an early death message really is. This does a disservice to both fat people and thin alike. Thin people are presumed healthy simply because of their body size, while fat people are presumed to be a ticking fat time bomb. Studies do not bear out these presumptions.

    The War on Obesity is a horribly misguided assault on a group of people based on how they look. That's called bigotry folks.
    I think we realize that there are no absolutes in health. I've known smokers in their later years who had smoked since before I was born who had no discernible health issues other than wrinkly skin and stained teeth. That's not a reason to pooh pooh medical advice to not smoke tobacco. We try to push evidence based practice not feel good practice. The evidence for smoking is that it increases the risk of lung cancer, throat cancer, and COPD.

    Likewise, obesity is linked to an increased risk of many ailments including DM II, HTN, and certain cancers. What Are the Health Risks of Overweight and Obesity? - NHLBI, NIH

    I've hiked with a guy who can leave 90 percent of the hikers on the trail in the dust. He is obese and probably has 75 more pounds on a 6 inch shorter frame than me. He's an anecdote. We don't give advice based on the outliers. Advice is based on peer reviewed studies and accepted practice.

    Of course we don't assume that thin people are healthy and obese are unhealthy. That's why we learn to do assessments and collect data. That is one thing that separates RNs from CNAs. We have the training and scope of practice to do assessments. My advice to a patient is based on their current health status and risk profile.
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