Nurses for Bush

  1. Once again, the American Nurses Association has endorsed the Democratic candidate for President. Is anyone surprised?

    In Kentucky, the KNA endorsed a Democratic 3rd generation politician who was the attorney general for a corrupt governor over a Republican physician.

    Many nurses are angered to see signs behind Sen. Kerry that say "Nurses for Kerry." Further, we dislike the fact that the ANA, claiming to represent nursing as a profession while claiming less than 10% of nurses as members, would choose to endorse a candidate that many of us certainly do not support.

    There's a group forming to counter the ANA's partisanship. It's called simply Nurses for Bush. The website is www.nursesforbush.org

    Be well...

    The Mellow One

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  3. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from MellowOne
    There's a group forming to counter the ANA's partisanship. It's called simply Nurses for Bush. The website is www.nursesforbush.org

    Be well...

    The Mellow One
    And Nurses For Bush is non-partisan??
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Apr 27, '04
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    Wow, just when I was becoming resigned to the apparent fact that I'm one of few conservative nurses . . .

    It is probably an April Fool's Joke, right? You are just pulling my leg, getting my hopes up.

    Guess I'd better go check it out and see if it is true. I know it bugged me seeing "Nurses for Kerry" as if we are a (yes, I'm gonna say it again) MONOLITH.

    Hey Marla, love ya!!

    steph
  5. by   ScottmRN
    I don't think that a nurse in their right mind would support mandatory overtime, cuts to Medicaid, and reduced funding for nurses to further their education, but hey, that's just me.
    I have never heard even a whisper about the Bush administration supporting nurses or nursing organizations during his term. So, no, it is not a big surprise that the ANA is supporting another candidate that is at least trying to address issues important to most nurses.
    I geuss it is easy to set back and criticize moves made by the ANA if you are not a member. If you feel stronly enough about your views, become a member, then make your views known to the appropriate officials, this is a democracy.

    Nurses are more than capable of making their own decisions.
    www.johnkerry.com/issues/nurses
    www.nursesforbush.org
  6. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from stevielynn
    Wow, just when I was becoming resigned to the apparent fact that I'm one of few conservative nurses . . .

    It is probably an April Fool's Joke, right? You are just pulling my leg, getting my hopes up.

    Guess I'd better go check it out and see if it is true. I know it bugged me seeing "Nurses for Kerry" as if we are a (yes, I'm gonna say it again) MONOLITH.

    Hey Marla, love ya!!

    steph
    Right back at ya, steph!! And I happen to agree with you about the ANA, even though I'm a member........I don't think it's really appropriate for a group made up of people whose common bond is their PROFESSION, not their politics, to endorse a particular candidate. Besides, I think we are all capable folks who can make up our own minds without help from the ANA or anyone else!

    And that's all I have to say about THAT.
  7. by   MellowOne
    Quote from mjlrn97
    And Nurses For Bush is non-partisan??
    No more non-partisan than the ANA. If the ANA will get behind Sen Kerry with signs that say "Nurses for Kerry," then all pretense at non-partisanship goes away.

    Nurses for Bush doesn't claim to be non-partisan. It's a group that doesn't want folks to think that nurses are primarily a Democratic constituency. We're not.

    Be well...

    The Mellow One
  8. by   MellowOne
    Quote from ScottmRN
    I don't think that a nurse in their right mind would support mandatory overtime, cuts to Medicaid, and reduced funding for nurses to further their education, but hey, that's just me.
    I have never heard even a whisper about the Bush administration supporting nurses or nursing organizations during his term. So, no, it is not a big surprise that the ANA is supporting another candidate that is at least trying to address issues important to most nurses.
    I geuss it is easy to set back and criticize moves made by the ANA if you are not a member. If you feel stronly enough about your views, become a member, then make your views known to the appropriate officials, this is a democracy.
    My professional organization is the AACN. I will not give my money to what has essentially become a liberal lobbying organization. Even though the AACN does advocate for some issues, they don't jump up and down behind candidates that say "Nurses for..." claiming to represent the profession. They're heavily focused on clinical excellence.

    When the ANA claims to represent me as a nurse, they by default give me the absolute right to criticize them.

    Be well...

    The Mellow One
  9. by   MellowOne
    Quote from stevielynn
    Wow, just when I was becoming resigned to the apparent fact that I'm one of few conservative nurses . . .
    There are many conservative nurses. Here in the heartland, the majority of us are moderate to conservative in our views.

    Many nurses don't want to come out supporting President Bush or conservative causes in general because of the vicious personal attacks that occur immediately afterward.

    Looking through these threads, how do you find Kerry supporters addressing President Bush and the people here that support him? From what I've seen, it's primarily personal attacks and scare tactics with little basis in fact.

    Frankly, it gets tiresome. We're tired of those on the left calling us racists, homophobes, sexist, cruel, and heartless. We're tired of the same old rhetoric about us wanting to starve children and old people. When you try to engage in a civil discussion, and you're met with insults and demagoguery. Eventually you just throw up your hands and stop trying.

    The Democrats are counting on that happening with this election. Well, alot of us who lean conservative have decided that we won't stop trying. Nurses are not a locked down Democratic constuency. We're a diverse group with diverse world views. If liberal nurses want to stand behind Sen. Kerry with signs saying "Nurses for Kerry," then why shouldn't conservatives do the same for President Bush?

    Be well...

    The Mellow One
    Last edit by brian on Apr 4, '04 : Reason: removed solicitation
  10. by   ScottmRN
    Nurses are an increasingly diverse group of professionals, and as such, seek a leader that has polcies that seek to unite their diverseness, instead of what has happened in the current administration, that rather divide people based upon their religon, sexual/marriage preferences, incomes. I don't blame the ANA for their support of any candidate that is more in tune to nursing issues and involved in legislation that actually helps the profession of nursing, regardless of their political party. Their only intent is better the profession of their membership. Criticize the ANA all you want, but what has the current presidential administration done for you, as a nurse?



    to each their own
  11. by   bluesky
    I'm probably to the left of Lenin but I also believe that it is innapropriate for the ANA to endorse candidates. Now the UAN is a whole 'nother story WHOAH! But it really isn't fair to entice nurses into a professional organization and then take political stands (unless they are voted on by a majority of the membership).
    What complicates this question is that the ANA is a composite of state nursing associations which are very politically active and this fact cannot be forgotten or discouraged as these organizations remain one of the few grass roots lobbies that we have.
    Sorry about the very poor spelling and grammar... I haven't slept in a while.

    And WITH RESPECT TO THE FLSA changes. Yes, it is true that because of the shortage, market forces will probably protect our overtime circumstancially. But what about all your colleagues in EMS and police? It doesn't bother you one that after risking their lives for us everyday, they probably WILL lose their OT?
  12. by   kmchugh
    Quote from mjlrn97
    And Nurses For Bush is non-partisan??
    Marla

    The issue (for me at least) isn't that Nurses for Bush is partisan, its the fact that there needs to be a counterbalance to the ANA, which is CLEARLY partisan. For years, the ANA has claimed to speak for all nurses, when the truth is that less than 10% of nurses even belong to the organization. Even accounting for apathy and what one of my instructors used to call "appliance nursing," 10% is an incredibly low number. Personally, I think nurses as a whole have simply become fed up with the ANA. And don't think for one minute that politicians on both sides don't know this, and know therefore that they can afford to ignore the ANA.

    So, why is the membership of the ANA so low? My belief is that the ANA as an organization, like so many other nursing organizations, has been taken over by the academic nurses. Nurses who have been in academia so long, the only place they see "the bedside" now is in their journals. They believe they know what is best for nursing, even though most of them haven't really been nurses for 10 years or more. They don't want to know what the nurses in the trenches think, they want to TELL the nurses in the trenches what to think. Well, thank you but I can think clearly enough for myself.

    Their endorsement of Kerry is just another example of the hubris. Regardless of what Scott or the ANA thinks, this is more than a one issue election. And some of the issues we face in this election are, frankly, far more important than the problems of nursing. You know, problems like facing down those who would kill as many of us as possible, nurse and non-nurse alike.

    And as for Kerry's shining endorsement of nursing and what he will do for nurses, well, let's just wait. I have no doubt that he will flip-flop, if elected. That seems to be his single greatest talent. After all, the American Hospital Association is much stronger than the ANA. He'll get the endorsement of the ANA, get the vote of nurses, then drop the support of nurses like a hot rock.

    Look around. Nurses in ever greater numbers are turning their backs on the ANA. Shoot, a whole stateful of nurses got fed up with them, and left (California). This is just another example. Sooner or later, the ANA will have to recognize that nurses want to be represented, not ruled. If they continue to fail, pretty soon the ANA will have to either fold or change its name to the Academic Nurses (Who Aren't Really Nurses) Association. Again, not that I have any strong feelings about it.

    Kevin
  13. by   MellowOne
    Quote from bluesky
    What complicates this question is that the ANA is a composite of state nursing associations which are very politically active and this fact cannot be forgotten or discouraged as these organizations remain one of the few grass roots lobbies that we have.
    And WITH RESPECT TO THE FLSA changes. Yes, it is true that because of the shortage, market forces will probably protect our overtime circumstancially. But what about all your colleagues in EMS and police? It doesn't bother you one that after risking their lives for us everyday, they probably WILL lose their OT?
    The Kentucky Nurses Association endorsed the Democrat for governor. Big surprise. The Democrat was a 3rd generation politician who was attorney general for the previous administration, which was widely known to be corrupt. The Republican that they didn't endorse was a family practice physician. Oh, the Republican won.

    I simply don't see nurses, EMS, police, or firefighters losing OT pay. It won't happen. People are acting like it's a done deal without providing a single instance of it happening. If any government entity tries to take OT pay away from first-responders, the public outcry will be such that elected officials will have to crawl out of their offices begging forgiveness.

    It ain't going to happen. The left is beating this one to death because they don't have real issues to run on.

    Be well...

    The Mellow One
  14. by   MellowOne
    Quote from kmchugh
    Marla

    The issue (for me at least) isn't that Nurses for Bush is partisan, its the fact that there needs to be a counterbalance to the ANA, which is CLEARLY partisan. For years, the ANA has claimed to speak for all nurses, when the truth is that less than 10% of nurses even belong to the organization.
    SFC Kevin,
    Thank you. It's good to see that some folks understand within this forum. It's interesting that even disagreeing with the ANA or supporting President Bush is met with such scorn and vitriol. Not surprising, but interesting.

    Be well...

    1Lt Mellow One

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