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  1. by   herring_RN
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Where are all the women who were grabbed by Trump? Have we heard from even one? He said it was locker room talk, and he apologized.
  2. by   Ted
    SC_RNDude - I read no hypocrisy here by anyone. The only exception would be ANYONE who continues to support Trump, Moore or Franken, and turns a blind eye towards their inappropriate behavior. Might that be you??? No need to directly answer here. It's one of these questions meant to ask one's self. It's an exercise in self-reflection.
    Last edit by Ted on Nov 17
  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    I support Franken.
    He admitted his piggish behavior, apologized I a meaningful way, and opened himself to whatever consequences may follow. THAT reflects personal integrity, IMV.

    Of course, should it become suspect that he is a serial harasser them he will deserve the scorn and judgements that flow his way. Something about the tone and content of his statements suggest that there won't be a parade of Franken victims, like there is for some.

    It's funny to me that evangelical Trump supporters don't believe in confession, apology, and forgiveness unless it is politically convenient for them.
  4. by   Lil Nel
    I am listening to an NPR report on AL female Republicans supporting Roy Moore. It is truly sad for these women. Their logic is that "we have never heard" of these reports before (so that makes the allegations untrue because YOU never heard of them earlier?).

    They also claim he moral (fondling and groping teenagers is moral and taking a million dollars from a nonprofit is moral?), and he "is innocent until proven guilty."

    It is unfortunate that these women don't understand that Moore isn't on trial. He is instead, running for US Senate. There is a difference.

    Yes, Ted, you were right earlier when you wrote there is something seriously wrong with some of the citizens of this country.

    I believe it is a lack of education, and self-respect.
  5. by   Lil Nel
    This is from The Hill. Sarah Huckabee Sanders making nonsensical excuses for her boss, the Bum. Somebody needs to tell her that the American people didn't elect the Bum, the Electoral College did.


    The White House said Friday that the difference between the allegations of sexual misconduct against Sen. Al Franken and those against President Trump is that the senator "has admitted wrongdoing."At Friday's press briefing, Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders responded to a question about whether it would be "fair" to investigate the claims against the president, saying that the allegations against Trump were already covered "extensively" during the campaign.
    "We addressed that then," Sanders said. "The American people I think spoke loud and clear when they elected this president."
    "Senator Franken has admitted wrongdoing and the president hasn't, I think that's a very clear distinction," she continued.
    is is from The Hill. Yep, Sarah Huckabee Sanders making nonsensical excuses for her boss, the Bum.
  6. by   toomuchbaloney
    Yes, the difference is that Franken has integrity and ethics, and Trump has none.
  7. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Al Franken was wrong. Pure and simple. He has called for an investigation into his own conduct. While that doesn't excuse his behavior, it at least shows a willingness to own up to his actions.
    He's called for an investigation into his own actions and another poster says, willing to take the consequences...ROFL!

    Senate ethics panel has issued no punishments in 9 years
  8. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    He's called for an investigation into his own actions and another poster says, willing to take the consequences...ROFL!

    Senate ethics panel has issued no punishments in 9 years
    I give him credit for not being a denier like Trump. Trump slams Franken, but is all quiet about pedophile Moore. I'm curious as to why you might think this is ok? Why do you still support this guy?
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    He's called for an investigation into his own actions and another poster says, willing to take the consequences...ROFL!

    Senate ethics panel has issued no punishments in 9 years
    Is accepting responsibility and apologizing sincerely for behavior that you are currently shamed by foreign and amusing to all social conservatives, or just you? You still prefer the guy who simply calls his accusers liars?

    Who would have ever dreamed that the party of personal responsibility would be so indifferent to actual displays of personal responsibility. It's almost as if conservative self righteous family values rhetoric is nothing but a smoke screen for authoritarian policy.

    Hey, did anyone read that another family values, anti LGBTQ lawmaker is resigning after his gay office sex games were exposed?

    A Republican 'Family Values' State Legislator Quits After Having Sex With a Man in His Office
  10. by   Lil Nel
    Yes, the whole "family values" thing and Ten Commandments thing is nothing more than a smoke-screen for a power grab. Unfortunately, the simple-minded and deplorables eat that kind of stuff UP.

    Even if the sexual allegations against Roy Moore were never made, he is still a deplorable. Read about the millions he made from the non-profit. I am not even getting into his wacko thoughts and theories.

    And, well, what can said about DJT? Nothing good.

    Anybody can struggle with liking a person who is basically good, but does a few out-of-line things (like Franken). Thinking people should have these debates, and the struggle is real. But no such discussion needs to take place for the likes of Moore and Trump.
  11. by   BCgradnurse
  12. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    I give him credit for not being a denier like Trump. Trump slams Franken, but is all quiet about pedophile Moore. I'm curious as to why you might think this is ok? Why do you still support this guy?
    It's hard to deny something when the is photographic evidence and a very credible witness.

    I haven't followed the Moore story that closely as of recent. It sounds like he is going to lose, so haven't wasted any more time and brain cells on it. I don't know why they just don't let the election happen without interference, and If he does win, they can just open up a Senate ethics panel investigation?

    I'm a Trump voter. And, yes I would vote for him today. The important issues to me were the economy, national security, and Supreme Court nominations. In short, and as someone who has voted Democrat in presidential elections as often as I have voted Republican, I didn't trust what would happen with a Democrat in charge the next 4-8 years. Although I believe Trump is a creep on some level, I am skeptical he is as bad as his haters seem to think he is. The fact that the Clintons are their own brand of slimy people made it that much easier to vote for Trump.

    If in my hypothetical election you would choose Franken over Pence, you are doing the same thing. You are overlooking questionable behavior because you can't bear the thought of someone with polar-opposite political ideals being in the WH.

    No one here knows for a fact if these so-called leaders did what they are accused of doing. We have to decide for ourselves what is true and what is not, and weigh that against what is important going forward. Not a great position for us, the voter, to be in.
  13. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    It's hard to deny something when the is photographic evidence and a very credible witness.

    I haven't followed the Moore story that closely as of recent. It sounds like he is going to lose, so haven't wasted any more time and brain cells on it. I don't know why they just don't let the election happen without interference, and If he does win, they can just open up a Senate ethics panel investigation?

    I'm a Trump voter. And, yes I would vote for him today. The important issues to me were the economy, national security, and Supreme Court nominations. In short, and as someone who has voted Democrat in presidential elections as often as I have voted Republican, I didn't trust what would happen with a Democrat in charge the next 4-8 years. Although I believe Trump is a creep on some level, I am skeptical he is as bad as his haters seem to think he is. The fact that the Clintons are their own brand of slimy people made it that much easier to vote for Trump.

    If in my hypothetical election you would choose Franken over Pence, you are doing the same thing. You are overlooking questionable behavior because you can't bear the thought of someone with polar-opposite political ideals being in the WH.

    No one here knows for a fact if these so-called leaders did what they are accused of doing. We have to decide for ourselves what is true and what is not, and weigh that against what is important going forward. Not a great position for us, the voter, to be in.
    It's also hard to deny something when caught bragging about it on tape, but Trump and has followers continue to do just that. Franken did wrong, no doubt, but is it in the same context as Weinstein, Spacey, Moore, and yes, Trump? I don't know. Franken's actions seem more on line with being a disrespectful idiot than a true predator. I could be wrong, though. Moore, if you haven't been following, is a pedophile.

    I think Trump is more of a creep than we've seen so far. I believe it goes far beyond what we've seen to date. I think he is morally bankrupt as evidenced by some of his cabinet picks and actions(destroying education, the environment, his disrespect of a Gold Star family, etc.). It's all about lining his pockets and undoing everything Obama put in place-not because he thinks every Obama policy is bad, but because he is a petulant child who always has to win.

    Obviously everyone is free to have his or his views. I'm still trying very hard to wrap my head around why some still support this mess of a human being as president.
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Nov 19

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