Make American Great Again

  1. I am an avid supporter of our President, Donald J Trump and am willing to respond to anyone who posts here.

    I would like to keep this thread free of name-calling (for anyone, including the President) and stick to actual facts with sources included if applicable.

    If you need help getting started, here is a running list of all the accomplishments President Trump has done in his 1st year in office: Big List of 167 Trump accomplishments in 334 days






    Please be cognizant that we are all people who have different opinions. I don't agree with everything from one side or the other, but I will also not blindly accept things based on feelings alone. You shouldn't either.
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  2. Poll: I support President Trump.

    • Yes

      14.29% 2
    • No

      85.71% 12
    • Undecided/Indifferent

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  3. 151 Comments

  4. by   elkpark
    Do you have any lists of his accomplishments that aren't from rabid right-wing websites?
  5. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from elkpark
    Do you have any lists of his accomplishments that aren't from rabid right-wing websites?
    Not to the extent that this list provides. This is for a few reasons.

    One, to find an actual list, for easy of use, is difficult in of in itself, and this one is to the point on the majority of the accomplishments. Secondly, it is highly unlikely any mainstream source reported on all of the accomplishments as there is a very apparent bias in the media, and again no MSM website has a list laid out like this for ease of use without clicking on various links. Lastly, you can bet there are no left-wing websites reporting anything of the like.

    Even if the website is geared toward right-wing thinkers, if you think there is something incorrect on the list, by all means, point it out and say why it's wrong. That's the point of the thread. Just because it came from a particular website does not make it wrong. Prove your point. I would hope just because news came from one of your favorite medias, you wouldn't just believe it because the journalists or TV hosts share the same political party as yourself.
  6. by   elkpark
    Quote from itsybitsy
    I would hope just because news came from one of your favorite medias, you wouldn't just believe it because the journalists or TV hosts share the same political party as yourself.
    Nope, but there are plenty of sources I know better than to believe, period.
  7. by   BCgradnurse
    What you tout as accomplishments many view as disasters. Climate change is real-99% of scientists agree on this based on data, not "feelings". Barring transgender people from the military is based on bias and bigotry-there is no data showing transgender soldiers are less effective and cost the country more than cisgender soldiers. Again, a judgment based on the fact that transgendered people make Conservatives "feel" uncomfortable. Those are only 2 examples from the list posted.

    I find it very difficult to find anything positive about your president (no, I do not consider him mine), and certainly can't get on board with propaganda spewed by a ultra Right wing website.
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Dec 22, '17
  8. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from elkpark
    Nope, but there are plenty of sources I know better than to believe, period.
    You don't have to believe anything or everything from every single news outlet. If you are so hard-pressed that the website in question is posting ONLY false accomplishments because you know not to believe anything coming from this right-wing website, prove it.

    This is the first accomplishment, #167:
    Tax reform: Speaker of the House Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell praised President Trump Dec. 20 for his leadership in the passage of the biggest tax overhaul in 30 years, with some $3.2 trillion in tax cuts along with significant simplification of the tax code.
    False? True?
  9. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from itsybitsy
    You don't have to believe anything or everything from every single news outlet. If you are so hard-pressed that the website in question is posting ONLY false accomplishments because you know not to believe anything coming from this right-wing website, prove it.

    This is the first accomplishment, #167:


    False? True?
    Tax cuts for the wealthy. It doesn't make my life significantly easier, and will hurt the poor in the long run. What is this going to do to the deficit? The Republicans constantly berated President Obama for increasing the deficit, but it's a whole different story now. False? True? And sorry, Ryan and McConnell are among the wealthy who stand to gain from this tax cut. The majority of their constituents will not. What about the 9 million children on CHIP who stand to lose their health insurance? I don't think that's something to be proud of. I think that's disgraceful.
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Dec 22, '17
  10. by   nursej22
    Nope, just nope.

    Is your president's poor approval rating (lowest ever for the first year) also the fault of the main stream media?

    Is it because of continued, mass shootings by white, American born men remain unchecked?

    Is it because of intrusion into people's decisions about their own bodies?

    Is it because of the callous treatment of US citizens struggling to recover from natural disasters ?

    Is it because of a tax bill predicted to raise the deficit by $1.7 trillion dollars?

    Is it because of blatant disregard of the imoluments clause?

    Is it repeated attacks on the integrity of his own intelligence agencies?

    The buffoons and thieves that make up his cabinet?

    The man is a prevaricating , narcissistic grifter.
  11. by   nursej22
    Oh, I do apologize for using the term "buffoon". I should have said extraordinarily unqualified.
  12. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    What you tout as accomplishments many view as disasters.
    Many things listed were campaign promises. For the people who voted for President Trump, these are the things the people wanted. Anyone can find flaws in anything, and people will.

    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Climate change is real-99% of scientists agree on this based on data, not "feelings".
    No one said it wasn't real, I don't think anyone believes it not to be real, even DJT. Climate change always has happened and always will, no matter what. However, The part that gets left out is that no one really knows what will happen or how fast. You can predict, of course, what will happen based on emissions and what effect that will have, but it isn't truth, they are predictions. You can only know the truth of what will happen if you can see the future, which no one can. You can also gather what HAS happened already, and make the prediction that those same things will continue to happen and worsen, but that is again, a prediction, not the truth. And since they are predictions, those 99% of scientists all have different ones.

    I think the beef with the words "climate change" is it induces a hysteria of sorts, like this thing will destroy Earth within a year, because that is the way it has been portrayed. That won't happen, and again, those 99% scientists don't say drastic changes to the Earth will happen anytime soon, but that it can. Most people, when hearing climate change think just that, that it is going to change the Earth within the next year. I think many people want to change the idea about "climate change" to something that is ever evolving, not something that's going to kill us all in 2019. Plus, again, no one really KNOWS what is going to happen.

    This isn't to say that we shouldn't do anything. No one is jumping to that conclusion either. We are still strengthening our green energy programs, building wind farms, using solar power, while also innovating environmentally friendly products. None of that is going away.

    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Barring transgender people from the military is based on bias and bigotry-there is no data showing transgender soldiers are less effective and cost the country more than cisgender soldiers. Again, a judgment based on the fact that transgendered people make Conservatives uncomfortable. Those are only 2 examples from the list posted.
    There was a study done during the Obama administration, here: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR1530.pdf

    As long as transgender people were stable, on their hormone medications, they were deemed as able as any one else to enlist. I read somewhere that its was 6 months of stability before they felt like the person would continue to be stable. However, the process as of current, is that the person has to be stable for 18 months as I suppose that is to err on the side of caution. I don't particularly care if transgender people are in the military. I feel if they want to enlist, let them. If they can't do the job, as in they aren't stable enough, then they can't do it. Pentagon Will Allow Transgender People to Enlist in 218 | Time

    I don't think hormone therapy and sex-change operations should be allowed to be claimed on insurance. They are choices and plastic surgery to modify your body solely based on how you want to look isn't covered on private insurance. Why should I have to pay for someone else's?

    Quote from BCgradnurse
    I find it very difficult to find anything positive about your president (no, I do not consider him mine), and certainly can't get on board with propaganda spewed by a ultra Right wing website.
    You don't have to like the President. You don't even have to like any of his policies. But for those of us that do support the President and who do support his policies, for the fact that the majority of his policies are trying to make the U.S. prosperous, don't act like everything you don't agree with is propaganda. It's not propaganda if it's true. Just because it's on a certain website doesn't make it not true. You know you can research every topic on that list on the entire internet.
  13. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Tax cuts for the wealthy. It doesn't make my life significantly easier, and will hurt the poor in the long run.
    You can find out how much you will get in tax cuts with this calculator.

    All you do is put in your total annual earnings for this year: Trump Tax Reform Calculator | Calculators by CalcXML

    Then subtract what you would owe (from the calculator above) from your year to date withholdings (federal only) that is listed on your paycheck. That is how much you will save from the tax cut in 2018.

    Quote from BCgradnurse
    What is this going to do to the deficit? The Republicans constantly berated President Obama for increasing the deficit, but it's a whole different story now. False? True?
    Some people might call the "whataboutism". Ha. But seriously? Truthfully, yes, this will add to the deficit. About 1.5 trillion dollars throughout the next 10 years. Since you are wondering why President Obama was berated, it's because he increased the deficit about 10 trillion dollars in just 8 years. So true, it is a different story. We will have more money in our pockets while spend 8.5 trillion dollars less.

    Quote from BCgradnurse
    And sorry, Ryan and McConnell are among the wealthy who stand to gain from this tax cut. The majority of their constituents will not. What about the 9 million children on CHIP who stand to lose their health insurance? I don't think that's something to be proud of. I think that's disgraceful.
    I think it said Ryan and McConnell because it actually is a big success for this tax reform to pass. I think everyone is happy. I think I read somewhere that CHIP is on the agenda for 2018 and in the meantime there is this: GOP includes $2.8B for children's health-care funding in stopgap bill | TheHill
  14. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from nursej22
    Nope, just nope.

    Is your president's poor approval rating (lowest ever for the first year) also the fault of the main stream media?
    I don't pay attention to "approval ratings" especially since last year during elections. All polls proved was that they were and can be enormously wrong. Unless they survey every American, there is no true "approval rating".

    Quote from nursej22
    Is it because of continued, mass shootings by white, American born men remain unchecked?
    Are you referring the the Las Vegas shooter? Believe me, myself along with other supporters of DJT would also like to know what happened. Nothing has come out. But I also don't think DJT has control over that either. Unless you have different information that DJT is withholding information about it?

    Quote from nursej22
    Is it because of intrusion into people's decisions about their own bodies?
    Transgender people? I don't care what people do with their bodies. I just don't want to pay for cosmetic surgeries. They are not out of necessity to live or survive. Can I use medicaid to pay for my boob job?

    Quote from nursej22
    Is it because of the callous treatment of US citizens struggling to recover from natural disasters ?
    Puerto Rico? There has been tons of aid and money sent, and relief efforts are still occurring there. Why is it after 2 weeks, Corpus Christi and Houston has since moved on, not needing further assistance and 3 months later Puerto Rico still says they are dying WITH help?

    Quote from nursej22
    Is it because of a tax bill predicted to raise the deficit by $1.7 trillion dollars?
    Read my response to BCgradnurse. You can do the calculator too!

    Quote from nursej22
    Is it because of blatant disregard of the imoluments clause?
    The emoluments clause? I'm not sure exactly what event you are referring to here. Uranium One? Yes, but I think you have the wrong person.

    Quote from nursej22
    Is it repeated attacks on the integrity of his own intelligence agencies?
    I think it's healthy to keep all forms of government in check. Especially when there is reason to believe those agencies have been improperly handling certain situations.
    https://oig.justice.gov/press/2017/2017-01-12.pdf
    Hearings |

    Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee


    Quote from nursej22
    The buffoons and thieves that make up his cabinet?

    The man is a prevaricating , narcissistic grifter.
    Quote from nursej22
    Oh, I do apologize for using the term "buffoon". I should have said extraordinarily unqualified.
    Thank you for retracting your name-calling. Kinda. But given your post and word choices, I feel you have a lot of hate in your heart for this one person. Sad.
  15. by   itsybitsy
    My replies are coming shortly. They are all being reviewed. Happy waiting!

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