Make American Great Again - page 2

I am an avid supporter of our President, Donald J Trump and am willing to respond to anyone who posts here. I would like to keep this thread free of name-calling (for anyone, including the... Read More

  1. by   Lil Nel
    Hey itsy-bitsy.

    My question is why you chose to start to new DJT thread? Is this thread simply a way tout his accomplishments as you see them?

    I am not being snarky. I am just curious why you didn't want to jump into the discussion on the other Trump thread.
  2. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from Lil Nel
    Hey itsy-bitsy.

    My question is why you chose to start to new DJT thread? Is this thread simply a way tout his accomplishments as you see them?

    I am not being snarky. I am just curious why you didn't want to jump into the discussion on the other Trump thread.
    A couple of reasons, the other Trump thread has over 2000 comments and upwards of 150 pages of content. I'm not willing to read through it all on what has been discussed and what hasn't. Secondly, the OP of the other thread has a vastly different view point from myself and starting off the thread with "narcissistic, immature, and disjointed" showed me what kind of thread it was. In addition, I did browse through and noticed, (as well as some other posters) it turned into a vent thread of why people didn't like DJT and not any sort of debate.

    Lastly, I feel like I bring a different perspective and goals for this thread than the other. As I stated, I am a supporter, the other thread OP was not, as evidenced by various of their posts. Also, my goals are different and I am not just here to bash other views than mine. I want to hear other sides and share mine without being called names, as the other thread has shown to be popular for.

    Also, the thread is all about debate. I can't "tout his accomplishments" any more than you can proclaim his failures. Yes, I have a different posting color as I am the OP, but other than that, anyone has the freedom to post whatever they want where ever they want. I have asked only one request for no name-calling because I feel that gets no one anywhere.

    I only linked a list of his accomplishments to spark debate on issues that have occurred during DJT's first year as President. If reading the accomplishments and notice that you, yourself do agree that some accomplishments are noteworthy for a President in their first-year, some people might actually, maybe give DJT a chance and not immediately write him off, and see he has actually brought forth some good change and policies.
  3. by   nursej22
    I have scanned your linked list of "accomplishments". Many of them are repeats such those concerning the new tax bill and abrogating a woman's right to make choices about her health. And rolling back environmental and climate protections are negative accomplishments in my point of view.

    Ask the laid off employees of the Carrier company and Philadelphia steel mills about his great accomplishments. How's that work on the opioid crisis going?

    I live in area with many immigrants and children of immigrants. It pains me that they think the President hates them, calls them murderers and rapists.

    As for the gains in the economy, thanks Obama.
  4. by   BCgradnurse
    Itsybitsy-

    I'm just not buying your rhetoric. You can love your president all you want, but the fact remains that the majority of the country did not want him to be president and did not vote for him. It is only because of the archaic Electoral College that he is sitting in the Oval Office. He is a misogynistic, pathological liar,among other things, and is in no way fit to lead this country.

    You can try and convince me, and many others here of his merits, but I think you'll be wasting your energy. We see him for what he is, and none of that is good. Not good for America, not good for the American people. We are the laughingstock of the world right now. But you just keep on believing his lies and thinking he's going to make America some Conservative utopia.

    Good luck to you.
  5. by   MunoRN
    That list is a bit nonsensical, but starting with number 1: tax reform: Trump promised to not only reduce deficit spending, but to actually pay off the debt within 8 years, as well as to reduce taxes for the middle class and to not just loot the treasury and give the spoils primarily to the rich. His "accomplishment" of tax reform not only doesn't reduce the debt, it increases the deficit massively. The tax cuts also don't really benefit the middle class, the majority of the middle class either won't benefit 10 years out or will actually be paying more, whereas the top 1% will receive massive giveaways not only as a total amount but even as a percentage of income. Basically, he's looting the federal treasury and giving the spoils to the top 1%, and then adding that amount everyone's share of the debt. It's unlikely that these degree of exploding the deficit won't result in a major recession, which squeezes the middle and lower classes even more.

    ISIS: There have been recent major victories against ISIS(L) directly resulting from the coalition offensive which began three years ago. Trump was critical of fighting ISIS during the campaign, yet basically left the Obama era strategy in place. So yes, he was successful in that he just kept doing what Obama was already doing.

    Jobs: Trump had his biggest month of job growth in November with 228,000 new jobs, roughly the same as Obama's monthly job growth prior to leaving office. The market doesn't appear to believe that Trump will be able to maintain these numbers though after signing the tax bill, which resulted in the largest outflows from equities and ETFs in recent years.

    We'll start with the first three.
  6. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from nursej22
    I have scanned your linked list of "accomplishments". Many of them are repeats such those concerning the new tax bill and abrogating a woman's right to make choices about her health. And rolling back environmental and climate protections are negative accomplishments in my point of view.
    Most of the accomplishments aren't repeats. I do see what you are saying about repeating the tax bill, however, one accomplishment is a portion that was passed in November, and then later was added on to the bill Congress just voted on recently. So it was 2 separate times one of the Trump administration bills passed, equaling two different accomplishments I suppose.

    I don't know what "woman's rights" issue you are referring to. I can only speculate it is the most recent one of no abortions past 20 weeks. I personally think this is an accomplishment. However, this is in the realm of one of the issues I disagree with DJT on. I think abortions should be legal in certain situations. I'm okay with before gestational age of viability, obviously fetal demises, and incompatible with life diagnosis'. If you're getting an abortion of an otherwise health fetus after that baby could survive (with help of course, so ~23-24 weeks), I don't think that is acceptable and should not be legal unless like I said above, demise or incompatible with life. ESPECIALLY full term abortions. How could anyone defend that for a healthy term baby?

    I suppose it's how you look at the rolling back. There are state agencies equivalent of the EPA, so why do we need state and federal levels? It's not being abolished, just scaled back to an appropriate size. Do we really need 5,000 scientist on the payroll just on the federal level and then probably another 10,000 throughout the states? I don't know of any protections rolling back, I'm not saying there aren't any, I just haven't looked into it.

    Quote from nursej22
    Ask the laid off employees of the Carrier company and Philadelphia steel mills about his great accomplishments. How's that work on the opioid crisis going?
    It seems you are just taking talking points from MSM and not really providing any basis to your passive-aggressive questions. If you aren't serious about debating then why ask the questions at all?

    Quote from nursej22
    I live in area with many immigrants and children of immigrants. It pains me that they think the President hates them, calls them murderers and rapists.
    The President doesn't hate immigrants, he's married to one. And he has never called immigrants murderers and rapists. I think you are mixing up immigrants and illegal aliens. President Trump has said many illegal aliens crossing aren't the best people. He never said all of them. A prime example is the Kate Steinle killer. An illegal alien who illegally entered the U.S. 6 times, and then ended up killing a citizen. Yea, not the type of people we want in the country.

    Quote from nursej22
    As for the gains in the economy, thanks Obama.
    AND you think President Obama brought the economy up? President Obama said the only way was with a magic wand:
    Obama: Some jobs 'are just not going to come back' - YouTube (at the 3:20 mark).

    However, President Obama never had over 3% GDP growth.
    Check Your Fact

    Just last week the GPD grew over 4%. I guess magic wands do exist and President Obama never knew.
  7. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Itsybitsy-

    I'm just not buying your rhetoric. You can love your president all you want, but the fact remains that the majority of the country did not want him to be president and did not vote for him. It is only because of the archaic Electoral College that he is sitting in the Oval Office. He is a misogynistic, pathological liar,among other things, and is in no way fit to lead this country.

    You can try and convince me, and many others here of his merits, but I think you'll be wasting your energy. We see him for what he is, and none of that is good. Not good for America, not good for the American people. We are the laughingstock of the world right now. But you just keep on believing his lies and thinking he's going to make America some Conservative utopia.

    Good luck to you.
    You don't have to "buy my rhetoric". I'm giving facts with sources. You can choose to live in a false reality if you want.

    The fact that he didn't win the popular vote is irrelevant. He won the election, fair and square. Everyone knew the rules of an election, including the electoral college. Just because your candidate lost doesn't mean the means to win were null and void.

    There are better ways to show your point than by name-calling. It actually partially discredits your stance if you have to resort to name-calling.

    I don't need to convince anyone. I simply want people to look outside their bubble and see there is a different side that isn't "evil and scary". But that is your opinion and that's okay.

    And, I don't want America to be a "conservative utopia". I want it to be America. I love my country.
  8. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from MunoRN
    That list is a bit nonsensical, but starting with number 1: tax reform: Trump promised to not only reduce deficit spending, but to actually pay off the debt within 8 years, as well as to reduce taxes for the middle class and to not just loot the treasury and give the spoils primarily to the rich. His "accomplishment" of tax reform not only doesn't reduce the debt, it increases the deficit massively. The tax cuts also don't really benefit the middle class, the majority of the middle class either won't benefit 10 years out or will actually be paying more, whereas the top 1% will receive massive giveaways not only as a total amount but even as a percentage of income. Basically, he's looting the federal treasury and giving the spoils to the top 1%, and then adding that amount everyone's share of the debt. It's unlikely that these degree of exploding the deficit won't result in a major recession, which squeezes the middle and lower classes even more.
    You can find out how much you will get in tax cuts with this calculator.

    All you do is put in your total annual earnings for this year: Trump Tax Reform Calculator | Calculators by CalcXML

    Then subtract what you would owe (from the calculator above) from your year to date withholdings (federal only) that is listed on your paycheck. That is how much you will save from the tax cut in 2018.

    Yes, this will add to the deficit. About 1.5 trillion dollars throughout the next 10 years. President Trump has started to work down the deficit, but as I replied to a previous poster, the debt had been increased about 10 trillion dollars in just 8 years. I think we have some wiggle room, especially given that we will have less taxes. As for what you say will happen in 10 years, I don't know where you received that information... If you could provide a source?

    Quote from MunoRN
    ISIS: There have been recent major victories against ISIS(L) directly resulting from the coalition offensive which began three years ago. Trump was critical of fighting ISIS during the campaign, yet basically left the Obama era strategy in place. So yes, he was successful in that he just kept doing what Obama was already doing.
    I'm not sure about the ins and outs of what President Obama's strategy was, as I'm sure the majority of the country was not either. The one thing I remember President Trump being critical about was the fact every time the U.S. would make a move, they would broadcast it. Why would you tell the enemy what you are going to do? I suppose you can say he rode the coattails of President Obama, but I don't know if that would be true.

    Quote from MunoRN
    Jobs: Trump had his biggest month of job growth in November with 228,000 new jobs, roughly the same as Obama's monthly job growth prior to leaving office. The market doesn't appear to believe that Trump will be able to maintain these numbers though after signing the tax bill, which resulted in the largest outflows from equities and ETFs in recent years.

    We'll start with the first three.
    Well, the markets know as much as I do about whether job growth will go up or down. There really is no telling. However, on that same note, it is notable about the 4.1% unemployment rate, down 0.6% in a little less than a year. Can people really not get behind that? President Obama did decrease the unemployment as well from 10% to 4.7% in 7 years, so that is impressive as well. So the trend could be just that, a trend that doesn't matter who the person is behind the desk, but if it's not going the opposite direction, then is that a bad thing? We also have to be realistic about when is there a peak or trough?
  9. by   heron
    OP, what is your response to muno's post?
  10. by   Ted
    Trump is a dangerous disaster. He and his freakin' Administration are our country's worst enemy. He ain't "cleaning the swamp". He and his administration are creating a toxic cesspool. Failure to appreciate this is dangerous, too.
  11. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from itsybitsy
    You don't have to "buy my rhetoric". I'm giving facts with sources. You can choose to live in a false reality if you want.

    The fact that he didn't win the popular vote is irrelevant. He won the election, fair and square. Everyone knew the rules of an election, including the electoral college. Just because your candidate lost doesn't mean the means to win were null and void.

    There are better ways to show your point than by name-calling. It actually partially discredits your stance if you have to resort to name-calling.

    I don't need to convince anyone. I simply want people to look outside their bubble and see there is a different side that isn't "evil and scary". But that is your opinion and that's okay.

    And, I don't want America to be a "conservative utopia". I want it to be America. I love my country.
    Your sources are extremely biased, so they don't hold any water with me. Using those sources damages your credibility. The Trump presidency is evil and scary, and calling him what he is isn't name calling-it's stating facts. I'm calling him out on his actions, and that is my right to do so. He is unfit to be in that office. I am embarrassed that he is president. I don't think he has an ounce of integrity in him, and he does everything to stroke his own ego and for personal gain. Where are his tax returns? Have you used your calculator to see how much he stands to gain from his tax bill?

    The fact that he lost the popular election is very relevant. It means the majority of the American people do not want him as president. The Mueller investigation is ongoing and we don't know for sure that there was not interference with the election. Therefore, we still don't know whether this election was valid or if he won fair and square. Time will tell.

    He and his keeper Putin are ruining America. I want to live in a country that can hold her head up high. That treats all people equally. That doesn't discriminate. That believes in science. That has compassion, and not disdain for the poor and less abled. That isn't led by a small minded person with an emperor complex. There are many sources that support what I'm saying here. In fact, too many to list. America is in big trouble with Trump in the White House. America was great before he was elected. Now we're going downhill fast.
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Dec 23, '17
  12. by   Lil Nel
    You know, itsy bitsy, I commend you for starting this thread. I really do. Because I believe you will that the folks who participate on the Breakroom side of the Web Site, are reflective of the American people as a whole when it comes to DJT. That means, given his historically low approval ratings, you will find few here who support him or his policies.

    And I wish I could engage with you, but I can't. And that because in order for me to engage with you, or others who believe what you believe, I must be willing to accept certain things such as: you support a person who openly mocked a disabled person, insulted a Gold Star family, sexually assaulted women and openly bragged about it, routinely calls the media "the enemy of the people," routinely attacks government institutions such as the FBI and CIA and judges, routinely mocks foreign leaders, imperils the safety of political opponents, just to name a few items.

    I am unwilling to engage with folks who are so accepting and supportive of such behavior.

    Yes, I am sure that even Hitler had his supporters who believed he was doing what was best for Germany, and Europe. But I wouldn't be interested in engaging with those folks either.

    In order for there to a constructive dialogue about anything, there must be shared and common values. And I'm afraid we have no shared and common values, other than a professed love of country.

    Best wishes to you.
  13. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from Ted
    Trump is a dangerous disaster. He and his freakin' Administration are our country's worst enemy. He ain't "cleaning the swamp". He and his administration are creating a toxic cesspool. Failure to appreciate this is dangerous, too.
    Appreciate what? You haven't said anything except an excessive amount of ad hominem.

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