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Why is it okay for a few Republicans Senators with NO MEDICAL EXPERIENCE “write” a new bill for health-care? Honestly, this is not right. We the people elect Congress, which is the House of... Read More

  1. by   Lil Nel
    This bill essentially gives a tax cut to the wealthy, by cutting coverage to the poor (Medicaid). Nothing new for Republicans there. It is what they do, after all. I just heard Mitch McConnell say that the bill does away with the individual mandate from Obamacare, and doesn't require people to pay for "insurance they can't afford."

    I wonder how McConnell thinks those people will pay for healthcare, if they can't afford insurance. Surely McConnell doesn't believe those people will stop visiting the ER. That means people are either financially devastated, or hospitals pass on the cost of care to others.

    The only Republicans opposing this bill are those like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz who don't believe it is draconian enough. Nice.

    It is very sad, to me, that this nation can't do better. The problem is the structure of insurance. This bill does nothing to address that problem. In fact, it feeds into the problem.
  2. by   herring_RN
    Cutting Medicaid from disabled children and other poor people while giving a retroactive capital gains tax cut t the affluent.
  3. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from Lil Nel
    This bill essentially gives a tax cut to the wealthy, by cutting coverage to the poor (Medicaid). Nothing new for Republicans there. It is what they do, after all. I just heard Mitch McConnell say that the bill does away with the individual mandate from Obamacare, and doesn't require people to pay for "insurance they can't afford."

    I wonder how McConnell thinks those people will pay for healthcare, if they can't afford insurance. Surely McConnell doesn't believe those people will stop visiting the ER. That means people are either financially devastated, or hospitals pass on the cost of care to others.

    The only Republicans opposing this bill are those like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz who don't believe it is draconian enough. Nice.

    It is very sad, to me, that this nation can't do better. The problem is the structure of insurance. This bill does nothing to address that problem. In fact, it feeds into the problem.
    This whole administration is about making life easier for the affluent and sticking it to the poor and middle class. Shame on America.
  4. by   MunoRN
    I would agree that more time should have been spent on Obamacare, but it's a bit silly to say that republicans are now "doing the same thing" that democrats did.

    Hearings held in House - Trumpcare: 1 Obamacare: 79
    Hearings held in Senate (so far and planned) - Trumpcare: 1 Obamacare: 47 in finance committee, 53 in health committee
    Minority party amendments included in bill- Trumpcare: 0 Obamacare: 177
  5. by   toomuchbaloney
    Comparing the current Republican bill to the ACA is sort of like comparing red delicious apples to crab apples. The intent of the Republican bill isn't even to get better insurance or access to care for more citizens. This bill will result in 10s of millions of Americans paying even more for insurance that may or may not cover the care they need, especially if they are women.

    At the same time that Republicans put health insurance out of the realm of affordability for hard working blue collar Americans, it provides for a transfer of wealth to gold collar Americans. It harms many in order to benefit a few who are not in any way disadvantaged.
  6. by   herring_RN
    Police drag away protesters in wheelchairs from Mitch McConnell’s office

    I'm proud of them. I remember working for curb cuts so people wouldn't have to use their wheelchairs in the street.
    I remember when there was no handicapped access to many buildings, no elevators and no access to busses and other public transportation.
  7. by   Avid reader
    If there is one person who needs health insurance, it's Mitch McConnell. That face would have scared the Iraqis into surrendering. I'm not kidding, his face gives me nightmares and I apologize for saying so but his personality also matches his visage. This guy is horrible inside and out! So no wonder his bills and tactics are equally horrid.
  8. by   Lil Nel
    Unfortunately, Herring, there is no shaming McConnell into doing the right thing. The man has one ambition and that is to retain HIS power. Thus far, he has been very successful at doing just that.

    I, too, and proud of these protestors. And the NYTimes had a story about families with chronically sick children visiting Congressional members (with children in tow) to put a face on just who the cuts to Medicaid will hurt.

    It is unfortunate when ideology becomes more important that humanity. I don't think John Adams would have much use for these politicians!
  9. by   elkpark
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Obama says health plan incorporates the ideas of Democrats and Republicans | PolitiFact

    The Obameter: Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN | PolitiFact

    C-SPAN CEO: Televise the hearings! - Hot Air Hot Air

    One video to explain Jon Gruber and Obamacare - YouTube

    I'm not here to tell anyone that the republicans are all that and a bag of chips. But, I find it laughable that some can't acknowledge that the democrats don't have their own brand of hypocrisy and untruths.
    For someone who claims to be uninterested in rehashing old arguments, you sure seem to be interested in rehashing old arguments.

    So, Politifact says that most of the 159 Republican amendments incorporated into the PPACA didn't substantially modify the bill. I notice that most of the evidence they provide of that is comments from various Republicans. And I notice that the assessment that Obama's statement that the bill is "bipartisan" and giving that statement a "mostly false" rating because the 159 Republican amendments didn't significantly change the bill at no point mentions that the foundation of the PPACA was a concept originally developed by the Heritage Foundation and flogged by Republicans for years -- right up until the Democrats chose (wrongly, in my view) to adopt it as the basis of the PPACA, in an attempt to craft a bipartisan bill. I'm not sure how legit it is to argue that the bill isn't sufficiently bipartisan when the whole basic structure of the bill was originally a Republican idea. If that's not "incorporating the ideas of Democrats and Republicans," I don't know what it.

    Politifact also says that Obama's statement that he wanted to see the entire process of negotiating the bill televised was a "promise broken." I don't disagree with that (yes, some meetings with insurance companies and other stakeholders were private, and Obama's vision of the entire process happening around a conference table on television didn't happen -- imagine that!), but that's sort of a red herring in this situation. The Democratic Congress held 79 public hearings on the proposed bill and spent weeks on the mark-up process, most of which was televised.

    FACT CHECK: Was the Passage of Obamacare Was Just as Secretive as GOP Efforts to Repeal It?

    Obamacare Took Months to Craft; Repeal May Be Much Swifter - The New York Times

    Did Dems ram Obamacare through Congress with no debate? Let’s consult the calendar. Oh look! Republicans were lying. | New Republic

    Obamacare had 79 committee hearings before it passed. Trumpcare had none.

    I am happy to acknowledge that Democrats "have their own brand of hypocrisy and untruths" -- it's just nowhere, nowhere, nowhere near as craven and evil as the GOP brand. We (Dems) are rank amateurs when it comes to lying and hypocrisy.
  10. by   Lil Nel
    I am truly NOT interested in rehashing old arguments. Do you know why? Because that is not what is important here. It is so small-minded, that is laughable.

    What matters here, is what has already been stated. McConnellcare will HURT millions of Americans. And those who will be hurt the most are the elderly, disabled and children. Forty percent of children in the country are Medicaid recipients. If anybody on this thread identifies as pro-life, then they should be speaking out against McConnellcare.

    For years, the Republicans have been trying to cut Medicaid. Everybody knows that. So far, their efforts have been largely thwarted. Again, this bill does nothing to solve healthcare issues in the country (because it doesn't try to). I would think that as nurses, we could at least agree on that point. Instead, the bill simply gives to the rich, while taking from the poor.

    This bill is nothing to proud of. If this is the best the Republicans can do, after how many years of speaking against Obamacare, well, what a bunch of empty vessels they are. Do I believe they are empty vessels? No, I don't. But I do believe they have a sick vision for the future of this country and they must be stopped.
  11. by   toomuchbaloney
    Medicaid pays for approximately 49% of all births in this country. That percentage is much higher than 50% in some states, which states do you suppose?
  12. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Medicaid pays for approximately 49% of all births in this country. That percentage is much higher than 50% in some states, which states do you suppose?
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that it is Red states, like mine, Kentucky. Studies have already shown that Kentucky takes IN more in federal monies than it PAYS to the federal government. It wouldn't surprise me that that is the case with the majority of Red states. They love to bite the hand that feeds them.

    The statistic that I heard, was that Medicaid pays for 50% of all births in this country. But I won't quibble over a percentage point, Baloney.
  13. by   nursej22
    And according to this article, that was written in coordination with Kaiser Health news, Medicaid pays a significant amount towards care of the elderly. Some have outlived their savings, or have elderly children who are not able to care for them. If an elder is 90, then their kids, if they are alive, are seventy.


    Medicaid Cuts May Force Retirees Out of Nursing Homes - The New York Times

    I think Republicans want taxpayers to believe that most Medicaid recipients are healthy adults gaming the system, but obviously this isn't true.

    Is there some fraud? Of course there is. Mostly what I hear about though, is through providers over-billing, or writing opioid scripts.

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