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Why is it okay for a few Republicans Senators with NO MEDICAL EXPERIENCE “write” a new bill for health-care? Honestly, this is not right. We the people elect Congress, which is the House of... Read More

  1. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from elkpark
    An intentional misinterpretation by the Right, since the day she made the original speech.

    The long (and surprisingly happy) life of Nancy Pelosi’s ‘pass the bill’ gaffe - The Washington Post

    In the seven years since Pelosi uttered that quote, it has become part of the conservative catechism. Republicans, arguing that the ACA was passed in a hurry — instead of the many, grueling months that reporters remember — slap the Pelosi quote on the table like a royal flush ...


    The Context Behind Nancy Pelosi’s Famous ‘We Have to Pass the Bill’ Quote | Mediaite

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won’t appreciate how great the Democrat’s health plan is until after it passes.

    “You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.” ... Almost immediately, though, the conservative media seized on the quote, and perverted it into an indictment of the law’s complexity.


    Nancy Pelosi was right: Democrats had to pass the bill so people could find out what’s in it - Vox

    One of former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s most infamous quotes was something she said during a 20-minute speech to the National Association of Counties’ 2010 legislative conference. Congress was considering the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and the endless, breathless coverage of the contentious process, Pelosi explained, was preventing people from appreciating the significance of its contents.

    “We have to pass the bill,” she said, “so that you can find out what is in it — away from the fog of the controversy.”

    Conservatives — abetted by dozens of political journalists who should have known better — immediately seized on a truncated version of the quote. Pelosi was really expressing her confidence in the underlying merits of the bill, but it became instead a shorthand for the allegedly dodgy process through which Obamacare was passed.
    Well, now we know what's in it, and it sucks. And whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed, that outcome was that it sucks.

    I too doubt the republicans know what they are doing now, but let's quit pretending the democrats are any better.
  2. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Well, now we know what's in it, and it sucks. And whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed, that outcome was that it sucks.

    I too doubt the republicans know what they are doing now, but let's quit pretending the democrats are any better.
    It's popular social conservative opinion that Obamacare sucks, but the data demonstrates that the ACA (while far from perfect) served to control overhead costs/charges of insurers, reduced or stabilized the rate that premiums increased as compared to preACA rate increases, and allowed millions of poor Americans to access health care.

    Meanwhile, Republican rhetoric on the topic seems focused on getting tax breaks in place for the wealthiest, not on making American health care more accessible or affordable. Based upon that I would say that, no, Democrats and Republicans are not the same.
  3. by   elkpark
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Well, now we know what's in it, and it sucks. And whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed, that outcome was that it sucks.
    That's your opinion, not some kind of objective, universal truth.

    And what's this about "whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed"? It's not a matter of what anyone "wants to believe;" there was an actual process and time line that could be observed and measured. So sorry that the reality conflicts with the conservative storyline; I realize that's inconvenient for you, but, as the old saying goes, everyone is entitled to her/his own opinions, but not to her/his own set of facts.
    Last edit by elkpark on Jun 20
  4. by   ElvishDNP
    I have patients that I know are alive today because they had access to affordable insurance via the ACA.
  5. by   azhiker96
    If we do nothing, the ACA will die on its own. Major insurers are dropping markets and premiums are rising quickly. That said, what I've heard about the Republican plan sounds like it would not improve things. A week ago the radio was saying Trump called the Republican plan mean.

    During the campaign Trump said Obamacare would be replaced with something better. I hope he stays true to that promise. If they present a poor bill I expect him to veto it.
  6. by   luv2
    This is very true. People are now able to afford their medications, treatments, get a basic checkup, to name a few. This is such a personal fight for me because I am a nurse=I am an advocate.
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  8. by   toomuchbaloney
    I would agree that the American capitalism/profit based health system is collapsing under it's own weight. We knew when the ACA was being written that our system was not sustainable. Continuously rising costs, prices, and profit margins coupled with embarrassingly suboptimal health outcomes - that's the status of our system.

    We have middle income citizens purchasing their life saving drugs in Thailand and India because our Congress feels it is more important to protect the rights of the corporation than to protect the citizen.
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  10. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from elkpark
    That's your opinion, not some kind of objective, universal truth.

    And what's this about "whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed"? It's not a matter of what anyone "wants to believe;" there was an actual process and time line that could be observed and measured. So sorry that the reality conflicts with the conservative storyline; I realize that's inconvenient for you, but, as the old saying goes, everyone is entitled to her/his own opinions, but not to her/his own set of facts.
    Bill Clinton shares my opinion. As do many Americans. And that is a major factor that determined who was elected President.

    Yes, I am well aware of what you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and rehashing a old argument is of no interest to me.
  11. by   elkpark
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Bill Clinton shares my opinion. As do many Americans. And that is a major factor that determined who was elected President.

    Yes, I am well aware of what you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and rehashing a old argument is of no interest to me.
    Again, "what you want to believe"?? Are you disputing the time frame for the debate, amendment process, multiple public hearings, etc., etc., etc.?? There is public record. Most of it was on television. It's not a matter of anyone's personal opinion or beliefs. I'm sorry that the truth conflicts with your talking points.

    And if you really don't want to "rehash(ing) an old argument," you could have simply not responded to my earlier post.
  12. by   toomuchbaloney
    If one doesn't want to rehash old arguments it is counter productive to rehash old lies about the old arguments.

    It really is easy to Google the specifics of the process that resulted in the ACA, why perpetuate falsehoods?
  13. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from elkpark
    Why on earth do conservatives keep repeating this canard??? Is it that they think that, if they say it often enough, people who don't know any better will believe them? The process of writing and debating the Affordable Care Act took more than a year before it was brought to a final vote. The Democrats accepted over 150 Republican amendments, and, in fact, bent over backward and did everything they possibly could to involve the Republicans in the process of writing the bill in hopes of getting some Republican votes (the final Affordable Care Act is a very different law than what the Democrats would have written by themselves. The foundational concept of the law was originally devised by the Heritage Foundation, and Republicans looooved the idea and promoted it for years, which is why the Democrats used it is the foundation of the ACA -- because they knew it was an idea that was popular with Republicans. As soon as Democrats adopted it, hey presto, all the Republicans decided they hated it). There were months of public hearings involving all the stakeholders (heathcare providers, the insurance industry, the public ...). The entire process was as transparent as possible.

    Not only is the current Republican process exactly the opposite of the process of writing and passing the Affordable Care Act, the grotesque hypocrisy of the Republicans is beyond breathtaking. There is actual film footage of Mitch McConnell complaining bitterly, at the time, that 14 months to write and pass the ACA was "rushing" through the process, and the Republicans were not being given sufficient input into the bill -- now that his side is in charge, he literally has a small group of Republicans in a closed room, writing a bill that is being kept secret from even the majority of the Senate Republicans until the last minute, and he plans to rush it through a final vote within a few weeks, start to finish. How do these people live with themselves??
    Obama says health plan incorporates the ideas of Democrats and Republicans | PolitiFact

    The Obameter: Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN | PolitiFact

    C-SPAN CEO: Televise the hearings! - Hot Air Hot Air

    One video to explain Jon Gruber and Obamacare - YouTube

    I'm not here to tell anyone that the republicans are all that and a bag of chips. But, I find it laughable that some can't acknowledge that the democrats don't have their own brand of hypocrisy and untruths.

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