Legalizing marijuana; Cha-ching - page 5

I was aware one benefit of legalizing marijuana was to reduce government spending on enforcement, litigation, and imprisonment, but I guess I hadn't realized the extent of potential revenue. From... Read More

  1. Visit  MunoRN} profile page
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    No doubt pot smokers can still be abusers, but the evidence states that in general alcohol contributes to aggression, while marijuana inhibits aggression.

    A couple of examples:
    CONCLUSIONS: The results suggest that the pharmacological effects of alcohol play a primary role in the relationship between alcohol ingestion and aggression.
    Alcohol and human physical aggression: pharma... [J Stud Alcohol. 1995] - PubMed - NCBI

    Results support the consensus that marihuana does not instigate, precipitate, or enhance aggressive behavior.
    http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=...1986-11321-001
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  3. Visit  Spidey's mom} profile page
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    Obviously mine is anecdotal ... I was simply responding to the idea that it is a hard and fast rule that pot doesn't cause any problems whatsoever.

    Thanks muno for the links. I have some as well that point to the possibility of the opposite. But we'll just agree to disagree.
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    I don't argue with you, Spidey's Mom, that it's certainly still possible to be aggressive while under the influence of marijuana, but statistically someone is more likely to become more aggressive under the influence of alcohol than they are under the influence of marijuana.

    It's also worth noting that the commonly used test for marijuana use does not reflect current influence. Marijuana use testing looks for fat soluble metabolites, which can remain positive for weeks or even months after the last use.
    Last edit by MunoRN on Nov 15, '12
  5. Visit  tewdles} profile page
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    There is a great deal of misinformation about marijuana and it is not by accident. The legal alcohol lobby has a vested interest in keeping pot criminalized.
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    Quote from MunoRN
    I don't argue with you, Spidey's Mom, that it's certainly still possible to be aggressive while under the influence of marijuana, but statistically someone is more likely to become more aggressive under the influence of alcohol than they are under the influence of marijuana.

    It's also worth noting that the commonly used test for marijuana use does not reflect current influence. Marijuana use testing looks for fat soluble metabolites, which can remain positive for weeks or even months after the last use.
    I don't argue with you either . . . but believe me on this one anecdotal case. He had recently imbibed.

    I do the drug testing for the local high schools. I'll send you via pm what the lab we work with says about results. Thanks!
  7. Visit  PMFB-RN} profile page
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    I have.

    *** I believe you, I just don't share that experience. As to how many abused women and children I have seen who were abused by a drunk man, we no way I could remember or count then there have been so many.

    caused BY ingestion of alcohol and/or drugs. You either are or are not a weak cowardly person who thinks it is ok to abuse people.

    *** Word, true that.
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    LOL So funny how things pop out at me when I'm posting in threads on allnurses. In the news this morning:

    Man asks judge if he can smoke one more joint

    "That's going to be a challenge," Mitchell told the judge. "I like smoking weed. I have been smoking weed since I was, like, 10 years old."
  9. Visit  HM-8404} profile page
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    Quote from tntrn
    The only reason I voted against it was because it is illegal federally. I can't quite see the point. If the feds are going to just turn the other way on this, then why have any federal laws at all?
    I'm waiting to see how the Feds react to Blue states that try to circumvent Federal laws. I want to see if they go after them as vigorously as they did when some Red states did with immigration.
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    Before everyone decides legalized pot is a good idea they need to talk to a counselor that deals with teens with drug problems. I talked to one a few months ago and found it interesting.

    I was asked if I have known a chronic pot smoker that started in early to mid teens. Yes, I have a couple of uncles and cousins that are. She asked if they are as mature mentally as others in their age group. Nope.

    She told me that is because the human brain is still developing until approx. the age of 27, not growing physically but neurons and such still making all of its connections. When someone chronically uses a drug that alters the mind be it alcohol, pot, or numerous others it stops those connections. That is why normally you will see someone in their late 20's and older still acting like a teenager. Their brain stopped developing at that stage. It makes sense to me. I know those for legalization will not agree. She also said studies have shown marijuana use among teens has shot up where there is legalized medical marijuana use.
  11. Visit  aknottedyarn} profile page
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    I see addicts all the time who will go to court with narcs in the pockets. An addict is an addict. Once the pathways in the brain are changed by the behaviors you are engaging, they are changed. Pot, gambling, Oxy's, alcohol, sex, sugar, etc. all can have a permanent effect on the brain. Sure the guy wanted to have another toke, same as the alcoholic wants another drink, or the sex addict has to have sex one more time before going to jail.

    Not every toker is an addict anymore than every wine drinker is alcoholic. Same for other behaviors.

    As for the abuse - abusers abuse. Some will use alcohol or some other behavior to get more fake courage to be the fool who uses fists. Others use non-physical abuse which has been found to be much more damaging than physical. Adrenaline has been shown to have some of these characteristics. See NFL for statistics on players arrested.

    In general, most pot smokers do not become unfriendly or aggressive with use. Where are pot represses many areas of the brain - alcohol does a much better job of depressing inhibitions so the anti social behaviors come out more easily.

    Pot smokers may lack ambition as a result of the drug but it is much more difficult to kill yourself with pot than alcohol. Alcohol hurts many more family members than pot.

    While this is not a reason to legalize, it is a reality. We do not prohibit the use of alcohol. We allow personal choice. We can legislate all we want to but the reality is we cannot control every behavior of the population. This is one battle we lost a long time ago. Accept defeat gracefully, as we did with alcohol.
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    Quote from HM-8404
    Before everyone decides legalized pot is a good idea they need to talk to a counselor that deals with teens with drug problems. I talked to one a few months ago and found it interesting.

    I was asked if I have known a chronic pot smoker that started in early to mid teens. Yes, I have a couple of uncles and cousins that are. She asked if they are as mature mentally as others in their age group. Nope.

    She told me that is because the human brain is still developing until approx. the age of 27, not growing physically but neurons and such still making all of its connections. When someone chronically uses a drug that alters the mind be it alcohol, pot, or numerous others it stops those connections. That is why normally you will see someone in their late 20's and older still acting like a teenager. Their brain stopped developing at that stage. It makes sense to me. I know those for legalization will not agree. She also said studies have shown marijuana use among teens has shot up where there is legalized medical marijuana use.
    These are all excellent points. As one who worked in treatment centers and taught this I agree with the statements. I wonder if we see the same statistics for more use or we ask questions in a different way? How about states where it is de-criminalized but not specific for medical use?

    We have not kept children from getting hooked on narcs. We continue to see children starting to smoke cigarettes. The lecture material about pot is interesting but I think you might e speaking to the choir here. None of us want children to have things that impair growth and maturity of brain function. Has it worked to throw them in jail for a bit in a pocket? One of our clients had a tissue with flakes of pot, enough that the tissue tested positive. Is this a reason to throw him in jail? Is it a reason to arrest him?

    Kids who are into sports or music are less likely to get into drugs. So what programs are cut by the schools? Sports and arts.

    I do not believe there is one easy answer. I just know that making criminals out of people in the ways we have is not right.
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    Quote from HM-8404
    Before everyone decides legalized pot is a good idea they need to talk to a counselor that deals with teens with drug problems. I talked to one a few months ago and found it interesting.

    I was asked if I have known a chronic pot smoker that started in early to mid teens. Yes, I have a couple of uncles and cousins that are. She asked if they are as mature mentally as others in their age group. Nope.

    She told me that is because the human brain is still developing until approx. the age of 27, not growing physically but neurons and such still making all of its connections. When someone chronically uses a drug that alters the mind be it alcohol, pot, or numerous others it stops those connections. That is why normally you will see someone in their late 20's and older still acting like a teenager. Their brain stopped developing at that stage. It makes sense to me. I know those for legalization will not agree. She also said studies have shown marijuana use among teens has shot up where there is legalized medical marijuana use.
    I work with a nurse practitioner who used to work on a chemical dependency unit who says the same thing. She is particularly good at dealing with our mothers who are still using at time of delivery. You ask them how old they were when they started using, and talk to them as though they are still that age, because mentally, they are still that age. That's when they ceased to have healthy thought and coping patterns. Find me a chronic drinker who started drinking as a teen who acts like a mature adult.

    That said, it doesn't really matter what the substance is. The entire aforementioned argument works just as well whether you are talking alcohol, weed, prescription narcs, or gambling. Addiction, any addiction, short-circuits healthy neurological pathways.

    If you're opposed, be opposed. But the inconsistency, the inability (or unwillingness, or both) to see the similarities between one illegal drug and another perfectly legal one befuddles me.
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    Quote from HM-8404
    Before everyone decides legalized pot is a good idea they need to talk to a counselor that deals with teens with drug problems. I talked to one a few months ago and found it interesting.

    I was asked if I have known a chronic pot smoker that started in early to mid teens. Yes, I have a couple of uncles and cousins that are. She asked if they are as mature mentally as others in their age group. Nope.

    She told me that is because the human brain is still developing until approx. the age of 27, not growing physically but neurons and such still making all of its connections. When someone chronically uses a drug that alters the mind be it alcohol, pot, or numerous others it stops those connections. That is why normally you will see someone in their late 20's and older still acting like a teenager. Their brain stopped developing at that stage. It makes sense to me. I know those for legalization will not agree. She also said studies have shown marijuana use among teens has shot up where there is legalized medical marijuana use.
    Ah . . . . then it makes total sense that a guy who started smoking at 10 would ask for one last joint when a compassionate judge was offering him a way to clean up his act.


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