Legalizing marijuana; Cha-ching - page 3
I was aware one benefit of legalizing marijuana was to reduce government spending on enforcement, litigation, and imprisonment, but I guess I hadn't realized the extent of potential revenue. From... Read More
Nov 14, '12Once a state decriminalizes something like pot, local law enforcement agencies will no longer be making arrests for pot violations. Local cops, state cops, all of them won't be saddled with busting people after concerts for having a roach in the ashtray.
Although MJ is still illegal at the federal level, there won't be anyone to enforce those laws locally. I doubt a DEA agent is going to be busting the aforementioned concert goers. This is a big change.
If any sort of federal interdiction were to occur, I imagine it would be at higher levels, like illegal growing options and not busting someone for minor possession. This is what has happened in California, some of the more blatant dispensaries were targeted by federal agents and closed.
This is a new frontier in terms of states rights and it will be interesting indeed to see how it plays out.
I like to think that common sense is winning out here. I also agree that I've never seen a patient smoke himself to death but how many chronic alcoholics do we deal with and everything associated with that substance? Not to mention tobacco, prescription meds, junk food and on and on.
Nov 14, '12I have no problem with medical marijuana for adults with real problems. The issue here in California is people are using the medical marijuana loophole and getting the 215 card simply to get high. That demeans the real patients who actually need it. That is what bothers me.
Funny - in my school district nurse/public health nurse meeting today . . . there is a new student from Washington who came to school with a prescription for some kind of marijuana (still trying to figure it out) for seizure disorder. He's 7.
Nov 14, '12Quote from ElvishIn my previous life with my pot-head ex . . . I sat in rooms with dead-eyed people smoking a "big fat joint". It ain't a purty picture.Personally, I will probably not partake, except just to see what it does. The draw is just not there.
But I work with a nurse (previous user) who came out and said, "Legal or not...after I retire and my kids no longer depend on me, one of the first things I'm gonna do is roll a big fat joint."
p.s. this isn't a pro-con legalizing pot thread for me. We have many of those - one is very very long. I'm just responding to the idea of making money off pot. As I said, growing up with the idea that it is wrong makes it hard to reconcile making money off of it.
I'm not arguing with anyone. Just being honest about how it makes me feel.
Nov 15, '12Marinol (tablet form) is great for getting cancer patients to eat. Marijuana was originally outlawed due to racism (look it up if you're interested) and not health effects. The adverse effects have been exaggerated for decades. I think there's a difference between recreational drug use, remembering that alcohol is a legal drug, and addiction. Yes, addiction is a horrible disease that causes major dysfunction for the patient and their loved ones. But I would equate drinking a glass of wine to smoking a joint at night. I'm not sure there's an argument against marijuana enjoyed under the same conditions as alcohol.
I think more support for treating addiction, remembering that addiction comes in many forms, is more important than limiting individual choices about personal experiences.
Nov 15, '12Question for you Spidey's Mom, is it an issue of 'tainted' money? Do you see it as being different from other 'vice' taxes?
Nov 15, '12Quote from MunoRNthis made me giggle. Legalizing pot to "punish hippies".I get that part of it is to punish hippies by taking away something they like, but what better way to punish hippies than shifting some of your tax burden to them, particularly since they don't have any problems finding pot anyway.
Smaller government, less taxes for you, and Conservatives oppose this?
This law did a bunch of stuff that has not even been mentioned here. It makes the legal age of use 21. a 15 yr old can and will be arrested and prosecuted for underage use just like alcohol. What seller is going to risk/ bother selling illegally to a kid when they can legally sell to an adult? some, yes, but not nearly as much as there are now. It also set an objective level of thc an indicator for DUI. previously, an adult that happened to have a joint that got pulled over automatically gets a DUI regardless of time since use. many of these charges get thrown out anyway, but now we are not wasting money on prosecuting them. We have already gone over the tax revenue, but I think 2 BILLION dollars is worth repeating. Our state is in a budget crisis like many other states. If i have to pay 20% +$6.95/L for my vice, liquor, then pot should be taxed too. Legalization is not going to increase usage. It does not absolve anyone of personal responsibility. I will be a nurse in 6 months. I am not an idiot. THC will be on drug screenings for future employers, so i will not be using it. it is called being a grown up. If alcohol was on those screenings, I would quit that too. Blaming unemployment on legalization like a previous poster implied is just removing personal responsibility. If that were true, then there would be no unemployed potheads prior to legalization, which we know most definitely exist.
please excuse my rant.
Nov 15, '12I don't plan to smoke marijuana when it becomes legal in my state. However, seeing as this is a trend I will be investing heavily in Betty Crocker and Frito Lay. I shall have my secret volcano lair soon enough. Come, Mr. Bigglesworth! Muahahahahahahahaha!
Nov 15, '12Quote from Griffin123you... I like you...I don't plan to smoke marijuana when it becomes legal in my state. However, seeing as this is a trend I will be investing heavily in Betty Crocker and Frito Lay. I shall have my secret volcano lair soon enough. Come, Mr. Bigglesworth! Muahahahahahahahaha!
Nov 15, '12I'm really enjoying this Discussion and just want to add a Perspective:
The Laws of Our Land are Guidelines which are the Result of the Beliefs of the Mainstream Society's Judeo-Christian Populace. Theoretically, in Our Society, the Majority Belief Rules; Whatever Belief is Popular flies.
Societal Belief progresses Organically, like a plant, bending, twisting, and turning along Heliotropic Paths. Some Activities which were once Taboo in Our Society are now Societal Mainstays. Alcohol, Tobacco, Gambling, and Marijuana exemplify This Concept.
I don't know where this Marijuana Legalization-Thing will progress Federally, but I know I will abide by the Law...
...or not get caught.
Davey (Still not Smokin') Do
Nov 15, '12I think it's a great idea for states to reap all the tax money they can on this. They make tons of money on alcohol, gambling, and in Nevada on prostitution, so why not? People are going to do what they're going to do, and regulating can create jobs (like the LCB) while freeing up police to address other issues.
If wine became illegal I would not partake in a glass or two on my nights off, but it's legal so I do. I don't get drunk, I just like to relax and socialize with my husband or friends. It's legal and I'm a grown up and I can handle it. No problem. I did my MJ "experimentation" when I was in college 2 decades ago, but since then I've stayed clean simply because I'm a law-abiding citizen and don't want any trouble. BUT if MJ were legal, I'd probably sometimes substitute that wine for a few tokes, followed by some Pink Floyd on my Bose headphones. If it were legal I can be a grownup about it just like w wine. Personally, I'm quite hoping my state gets with the program, as Pink Floyd has not sounded right to me since college.
Nov 15, '12Legalizing Marijuana will not just make us a bunch money. Instead of paying DEA agents to fly around and look for pot. We will now be hiring more IRS agents to make sure that everyone that is growing it wiil be paying taxes. We will have to adopt a new ,more sensitive,testing system for employers to test for use during a day or week since it can stay in your system for 3-4 weeks. The care of overuse will then fall into the hands of ATF agents that will need to make sure that nothing is being illegally transported across boarders. Then the USDA and FDA will have to hire more people to make sure that it is being grown in a safe way, just as tobacco and foods are. It will cost us a lot of money.
Nov 15, '12Quote from Spidey's momYou just conjured such an image for me - my school office cabinet having a bong next to my nebulizer and a student that has to come it at noon for a toke. oh lord!Funny - in my school district nurse/public health nurse meeting today . . . there is a new student from Washington who came to school with a prescription for some kind of marijuana (still trying to figure it out) for seizure disorder. He's 7.
Nov 15, '12Quote from decembergrad2011You can - I simply can't. A squinty-eyed, pursed lip, drag on a flattened end of joint and then holding your breath while you get maximum effect vs. taking a dainty sip of good wine. Not the same.But I would equate drinking a glass of wine to smoking a joint at night. I'm not sure there's an argument against marijuana enjoyed under the same conditions as alcohol.
Quote from MunoRNYes, and just because there are already ways in which we do that doesn't mean we have to add more. So yes, "tainted" money.Question for you Spidey's Mom, is it an issue of 'tainted' money? Do you see it as being different from other 'vice' taxes?