Legalizing marijuana; Cha-ching - page 2

I was aware one benefit of legalizing marijuana was to reduce government spending on enforcement, litigation, and imprisonment, but I guess I hadn't realized the extent of potential revenue. From... Read More

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    The medical marijuana business in Colorado already made a lot of money for some folks. I voted for the legalization for recreational use this time around. It makes sense to me that if the sale and distribution of marijuana is regulated by the state then it's safer for us all. People are going to smoke regardless of what the law says. I don't think for a minute that people who previously didn't use marijuana will suddenly start up now simply because it's legal.

    I also think that a lot of people who make mistakes in their adolescence and younger years end up with a marijuana charge on their slates that they can never wipe clean. I don't like the idea that some people pay forever for a small mistake. I tried pot as a teen a couple of times in a country where personal use was decriminilized (different from legalized) If I had been caught in a country that prosecuted for use, it would have been a huge obstacle to my career path now. I believe that 60% of people have tried marijuana at some point in their lives. I don't think that 60% of us are criminals.
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    How marijuana legalization will affect Mexico's cartels, in charts

    The decision by voters in Colorado and Washington state to legalize the recreational use of marijuana has "changed the rules of the game" for the administration of Mexican President-elect Enrique Peņa Nieto in the U.S.-backed drug war, according to a report by the Washington Post's William Booth.

    "Obviously, we can't handle a product that is illegal in Mexico, trying to stop its transfer to the United States, when in the United States, at least in part of the United States, it now has a different status," Nieto's top adviser, Luis Videgaray, told a radio station Wednesday.
    However, experts and studies note that legalization in two U.S. states-even if the federal government allows it-probably won't put Mexico's drug cartels out of business. ...
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    I believe that we learned that prohibition does not work when we tried it with alcohol. Apparently we thought it would work with pot...but we were wrong.

    It makes sense that we should identify failed policy and take steps to remedy them. This would be one step.
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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Alcohol just made it through the door of legality first and a long time ago. The arguments about alcohol being legal so why can't pot be legal don't work for me. The stories about hemp being such a great commodity don't work for me either. The argument about medical marijuana doesn't work for me.

    People just wanna get high.
    Of course people just wanna get high. As long as they are not hurting anyone else in the process, who cares?

    Legalizing it will make it completely unnecessary for unscrupulous docs to write a script for a 'medical' MJ card for someone who just wants to take a toke on the weekend.

    And, it will free up PDs to go after actual violent criminals instead of someone who was not harming anyone by having their ounce of weed in the car (believe me, in this state, that will still get you locked up....waste of time, space, and personnel).

    Of course, there still need to be rules just like there are with alcohol - can't drive stoned, can't show up to work stoned, can't neglect your kids because you were toking.
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    Substitute 'marijuana' for 'heroin' and the argument is exactly the same.

    And regarding an earlier point about alcohol being legal 'first', Rep. Paul makes a good point - for the first century after the US was founded, all these drugs were legal, and cannabis was used as a medicine.

    George Washington grew hemp at Mount Vernon. Hemp hemp hooray!
    Last edit by Elvish on Nov 14, '12
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    In my view, the vast majority of prosecutions related to marijuana are a huge waste of resources...and accomplish nothing good.
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    Worse than accomplishing little or nothing: The police try to get the one with the tiny amount to turn over the next layer in order to escape prosecution. This teaches really bad things. We are raised to keep promioses, be able to be trusted by others, dropping a dime is not in keeping with this. It also points out how stupid our laws can be and how easily they can be manipulated by police at will. It does make the frightened young person more afraid of police. It does not stop pot useage. It ties up endless hours of man power staking out where the informant says things happen. They are not available to protect and serve as directed by their jobs.

    Is that what we really want?
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    Having kids, I get the concern about kids using pot. The problem though is that drug dealers don't check ID's, studies have shown many kids find it easier to get pot than beer. At least if we take drug dealers out of the equation then it will be harder for a 15 year to get it than a 21 year old.

    As a Nurse I'd much rather have a patient who smokes pot rather than drinks. You know you're in for a crappy night when you find out your patient drinks a fifth a day and is heading into DT's, I've never cared either way if my patient smokes pot. I've also had many a patient who's drinking themselves to death, either due to their liver failure, heart failure, or kidney failure, I've never seen anybody smoke themselves to death.

    I don't doubt that the majority of those who use medicinal marijuana just want to get high, but then again, what do I care. This has given medicinal marijuana a bad name, which is unfortunate since it's medicinal effects are getting harder to deny. Cannabidiol, a component of marijuana, is approved for use in Canada and Europe for a variety of different uses. It's been shown to effectively treat muscle pain and spasticity associated with MS. It is approved for treatment of pain, nausea, and poor appetite associated with Cancer. Speaking of cancer, it's been proven to "switch off" the ID-1 gene which is primarily responsible for the metastasizing action of cancer and is successfully used as a cancer treatment in Europe. It's been shown to be as effective as any other atypical antipsychotic, except without the various adverse effects of other atypical antipsychotics, particularly the potential to intentionally OD, an unfortunate potential in a drug often given to people particularly likely to attempt suicide. The most commonly prescribed class of drugs is now opiates, a particularly dangerous class of drugs. Marijuana and it's components could be used in place of opiates in many cases, significantly decreases the danger posed to patients. As a Nurse, I'm willing to accept that people like getting high if it's a better way to treat patient's health problems.
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    Quote from Spidey's mom

    The argument about medical marijuana doesn't work for me.
    People just wanna get high.

    Comparing drinking a glass of wine with dinner and someone taking a hit off a marijuana cig . . . those pictures don't jibe.
    why doesn't the medical marijuana argument work for you?
    do you truly believe that "people just wanna get high", and it doesn't benefit those who are ill or suffering adverse side effects?
    would love to hear your thoughts, steph.

    and again, what doesn't "jibe" about the contrast betw a glass of wine and a hit from a joint?
    maybe i'm slow, but i just don't understand why you don't consider these analogous?

    your statements mean little without some sort of basis of understanding, agreed?

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    muno, thanks for your post.
    i thought most (if not all) nurses were aware of the medicinal benefits of pot.
    but it seems i may be wrong.

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