Legalizing marijuana; Cha-ching - page 2
I was aware one benefit of legalizing marijuana was to reduce government spending on enforcement, litigation, and imprisonment, but I guess I hadn't realized the extent of potential revenue. From... Read More
Nov 14, '12Quote from Spidey's momOf course people just wanna get high. As long as they are not hurting anyone else in the process, who cares?Alcohol just made it through the door of legality first and a long time ago. The arguments about alcohol being legal so why can't pot be legal don't work for me. The stories about hemp being such a great commodity don't work for me either. The argument about medical marijuana doesn't work for me.
People just wanna get high.
Legalizing it will make it completely unnecessary for unscrupulous docs to write a script for a 'medical' MJ card for someone who just wants to take a toke on the weekend.
And, it will free up PDs to go after actual violent criminals instead of someone who was not harming anyone by having their ounce of weed in the car (believe me, in this state, that will still get you locked up....waste of time, space, and personnel).
Of course, there still need to be rules just like there are with alcohol - can't drive stoned, can't show up to work stoned, can't neglect your kids because you were toking.
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Substitute 'marijuana' for 'heroin' and the argument is exactly the same.
And regarding an earlier point about alcohol being legal 'first', Rep. Paul makes a good point - for the first century after the US was founded, all these drugs were legal, and cannabis was used as a medicine.
George Washington grew hemp at Mount Vernon. Hemp hemp hooray!Last edit by Elvish on Nov 14, '12
Nov 14, '12In my view, the vast majority of prosecutions related to marijuana are a huge waste of resources...and accomplish nothing good.
Nov 14, '12Worse than accomplishing little or nothing: The police try to get the one with the tiny amount to turn over the next layer in order to escape prosecution. This teaches really bad things. We are raised to keep promioses, be able to be trusted by others, dropping a dime is not in keeping with this. It also points out how stupid our laws can be and how easily they can be manipulated by police at will. It does make the frightened young person more afraid of police. It does not stop pot useage. It ties up endless hours of man power staking out where the informant says things happen. They are not available to protect and serve as directed by their jobs.
Is that what we really want?
Nov 14, '12Having kids, I get the concern about kids using pot. The problem though is that drug dealers don't check ID's, studies have shown many kids find it easier to get pot than beer. At least if we take drug dealers out of the equation then it will be harder for a 15 year to get it than a 21 year old.
As a Nurse I'd much rather have a patient who smokes pot rather than drinks. You know you're in for a crappy night when you find out your patient drinks a fifth a day and is heading into DT's, I've never cared either way if my patient smokes pot. I've also had many a patient who's drinking themselves to death, either due to their liver failure, heart failure, or kidney failure, I've never seen anybody smoke themselves to death.
I don't doubt that the majority of those who use medicinal marijuana just want to get high, but then again, what do I care. This has given medicinal marijuana a bad name, which is unfortunate since it's medicinal effects are getting harder to deny. Cannabidiol, a component of marijuana, is approved for use in Canada and Europe for a variety of different uses. It's been shown to effectively treat muscle pain and spasticity associated with MS. It is approved for treatment of pain, nausea, and poor appetite associated with Cancer. Speaking of cancer, it's been proven to "switch off" the ID-1 gene which is primarily responsible for the metastasizing action of cancer and is successfully used as a cancer treatment in Europe. It's been shown to be as effective as any other atypical antipsychotic, except without the various adverse effects of other atypical antipsychotics, particularly the potential to intentionally OD, an unfortunate potential in a drug often given to people particularly likely to attempt suicide. The most commonly prescribed class of drugs is now opiates, a particularly dangerous class of drugs. Marijuana and it's components could be used in place of opiates in many cases, significantly decreases the danger posed to patients. As a Nurse, I'm willing to accept that people like getting high if it's a better way to treat patient's health problems.
Nov 14, '12Quote from Spidey's momwhy doesn't the medical marijuana argument work for you?
The argument about medical marijuana doesn't work for me.
People just wanna get high.
Comparing drinking a glass of wine with dinner and someone taking a hit off a marijuana cig . . . those pictures don't jibe.
do you truly believe that "people just wanna get high", and it doesn't benefit those who are ill or suffering adverse side effects?
would love to hear your thoughts, steph.
and again, what doesn't "jibe" about the contrast betw a glass of wine and a hit from a joint?
maybe i'm slow, but i just don't understand why you don't consider these analogous?
your statements mean little without some sort of basis of understanding, agreed?
Nov 14, '12muno, thanks for your post.
i thought most (if not all) nurses were aware of the medicinal benefits of pot.
but it seems i may be wrong.
Nov 14, '12Think of all the $$$ made on tobacco taxes. And we KNOW tobacco kills. Marijuana does not. Legalize it, regulate it, collect taxes on it and that'll be that. Twenty four years ago when I had to have chemotherapy, as I was leaving the doctor's office, he whispered "see if you can find some pot....it'll help with the side effects". We've all known for years it has wonderful properties.
Nov 14, '12Personally, I will probably not partake, except just to see what it does. The draw is just not there.
But I work with a nurse (previous user) who came out and said, "Legal or not...after I retire and my kids no longer depend on me, one of the first things I'm gonna do is roll a big fat joint."
Nov 14, '12As a non smoking washington resident, i voted in favor of legalization. i also made sure that everyone i knew was aware of the fantastic benefits that my state would gain as a result of taxation and no longer prosecuting. i am so proud of my state. we did some fantastic things this election.
Nov 14, '12I think what struck me about the revenue to be had from legalizing marijuana is that it just left me more confused as to why Conservatives oppose legalization. Policing how people enjoy themselves would seem to be a straightforward example of "big government". I get that part of it is to punish hippies by taking away something they like, but what better way to punish hippies than shifting some of your tax burden to them, particularly since they don't have any problems finding pot anyway.
Smaller government, less taxes for you, and Conservatives oppose this?
Nov 14, '12The only reason I voted against it was because it is illegal federally. I can't quite see the point. If the feds are going to just turn the other way on this, then why have any federal laws at all?
Nov 14, '12That will be an issue although it's the same issue that's existed with medicinal marijuana. Washington and Colorado may have to back off depending on what actions the Federal government takes, but voting against it just guarantees it won't take effect rather than at least giving it a chance. I would think this would be a welcome opportunity for conservatives to put their belief of state's rights over Federal rights.