Is it Oil?

  1. 4 http://grist.org/news/good-news-arka...-isnt-oil-oil/

    So far, the thousands of barrels of tar-sands oil that spilled into a middle-class neighborhood in central Arkansas on Friday have driven 22 families from their homes and killed and injured a grip of local wildlife. So far, the oil hasn't contaminated the local lake or drinking water supply, according to ExxonMobil. It's a "major spill," according to the EPA, and the cause is so far still under investigation.

    But since it's not oil-oil, ExxonMobil hasn't paid into the government clean-up fund that would help bankroll the epic scrub-down necessary to rid poor unsuspecting Mayflower, Ark., of all that bitumen.
    So who pays to clean it up?
    Do they know how to clean it up?
    What happens when the Keystone pipeline leaks?
    Who will pay for that and clean that up?

    Isn't this our land?
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  3. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    If you go back in history to the Exxon Valdez you will find that court ordered payments have not been made.

    We get nothing out of the tar sands movement except the chance of further spills. The oil companies who already get corporate welfare will get more money. They will continue to fight in court all efforts to make them pay the legitimate fines, repair and other costs. They will continue to hide money offshore and not pay a fair share of taxes and not pay for their rape, pillage and plunder of what little pristine land we have. They will ruin water supplies and unless we get rid of the lobbyists who keep them safe from real prosecution they will continue to get away with murder.
  4. Visit  StNeotser profile page
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    Thank you for the link. I wouldn't have known about this because I don't think it was ever on NBC, CNN or other outlets of the "liberal" main stream media. Perhaps if more citizens knew about it outside of the local area, there may have been more pressure put on Exxon.
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  5. Visit  anothergrumpyoldRN profile page
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    How will this play out with the Keystone XL pipeline?
  6. Visit  Conservative Nurse profile page
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    Everything is dumped on the taxpayer. We have to get the Liberals out of office!!!
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    Quote from Conservative Nurse
    Everything is dumped on the taxpayer. We have to get the Liberals out of office!!!
    Protecting the big business welfare queens is done by both republicans and democrats. In general, in spite of the word conserve in their name most conservatives want less governmental oversight on businesses that threaten our environment. It is those dang tree hugging, organic food promoting, water guzzling liberals who want oil companies to have to pay for their environmental screw-ups.

    Usually these "accidents" have been found to be caused by negligence, lack of preventive maintenance, improper use of materials and other poor decision making by the oil companies. In the case of the Mayflower pipe rupture the pipes had been retro'ed to run the tar sands in the opposite direction as the same pipes had run oil. I have seen no reports that indicate that was safe. Pipeline is a bit different than a garden hose. Many imperfections have been found in existing pipelines that will not stand the corrosive effects of the tar sands.

    Unfortunately governmental regulations are usually a response to money hungry businesses cutting corners. Even more unfortunate is the fact that even after it is found that these same companies were at fault no government has ever forced them to pay a fair share for their greed.

    Halliburton just got a slap on the wrist for destroying documentation about the Gulf oil spill that killed workers. Exxon has never paid it's debt to Alaska and her fishermen and women. Until the government steps in and demands payment and refuses to allow more corporate welfare and tax advantages to these companies they have no incentive to be lawful.

    Liberals seem to be the ones who want fair treatment and companies to pay their debts.
  8. Visit  anothergrumpyoldRN profile page
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    Everything is dumped on the tax payer because some in our Congress believe that flesh and blood people should pay the bills and corporate people should reap the benefits. They are called the Tea Party. They currently have a much bigger voice in our government than they should.
  9. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    Regulations.gov

    Please take a moment to make a comment about the proposed Keystone XL pipeline. The comment period ends in less than a week and few have responded. As nurses we recognize the dangers of oil spills and exposure to environmental poisons. As health care professionals, I believe it is part of our professional responsibilities to be a voice for those who need our help.

    It is easy to file a comment. Please do.
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  10. Visit  toomuchbaloney profile page
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    Thank you for adding that link
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  11. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Regulations.gov

    Please take a moment to make a comment about the proposed Keystone XL pipeline. The comment period ends in less than a week and few have responded. As nurses we recognize the dangers of oil spills and exposure to environmental poisons. As health care professionals, I believe it is part of our professional responsibilities to be a voice for those who need our help.

    It is easy to file a comment. Please do.
    Done and asked sisters to do so too.
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  12. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Regulations.gov

    Please take a moment to make a comment about the proposed Keystone XL pipeline. The comment period ends in less than a week and few have responded. As nurses we recognize the dangers of oil spills and exposure to environmental poisons. As health care professionals, I believe it is part of our professional responsibilities to be a voice for those who need our help.

    It is easy to file a comment. Please do.
    As nurses, we share this viewpoint? How rediculous. I'm sure 99%+ of nurses have no clue of the potential risks vs benefits of this project.

    Anyway, I got my comment in just in time.
  13. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    Quote from SC_RNDude
    As nurses, we share this viewpoint? How rediculous. I'm sure 99%+ of nurses have no clue of the potential risks vs benefits of this project.

    Anyway, I got my comment in just in time.
    It has been well documented about the increase in cancer and the increase in respiratory problems. As nurses we see and have to deal with these issues.

    I certainly am not the only nurse concerned. Many nurses have organized themselves to make others aware of the issues. Of course there are those who choose to ignore reality. There are even nurses who do not want vaccinations done. That is not any reason to tar all nurses with that same brush. At least, I do hope most nurses are vocal about vaccinations and the misery and death they prevent. The same is true for many nurses. They recognize the dangers of tar sands and are willing to stand up for all the people.

    I hope that the number of nurses who have no idea about the risks/ benefits is smaller than you state.

    As for the benefits I have yet to see many, certainly nothing to offset cancer and breathing problems as a result of the tar sands. It has been shown there would be almost no increase in employment, we do not get any petroleum out of it, we take the risks of having this destructive substance flow over , under and through our lands.

    If there are benefits greater than the lives of the people, I have yet to see them.
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  14. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    More jobs are certainly needed, but even the just concluded State Department assessment conceded Keystone would support only 35 post-construction jobs.

    Infrastructure repair and promoting a green economy is a far better solution for the jobs crisis, if the threshold issue is jobs,

    Nurses see an inseparable link between environmental justice and the health of our communities and planet.

    Keystone's tar sands oil, with its thick, dirty, corrosive properties, pose a far greater hazard than conventional oil - a major reason for nurse opposition.

    Toxic contaminants in the massive water needed for extraction are infecting clean water supplies with towns nearby Alberta experiencing spikes in cancer deaths, renal failure, lupus, and hyperthyroidism.

    Huge pipeline spills near Marshall, MI and Mayflower, AR. have led to respiratory ailments and other health ills. Pollutants from tar sands refineries are linked to heart and lung disease, asthma, and cancer.

    Mounds of Petcoke, the carbon residue of tar sands refining, piled up for export for burning, have produced toxic dust storms that have left area residents gasping near Detroit, Chicago, and other locales.

    Canadian scientists are also alarmed at mercury "wafting" into the air from tar sands production which, in chronic exposure, have been linked to brain damage.

    For these reasons tens of thousands of nurses oppose the Keystone XL pipeline.

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