Is Donald Trump Guilty of Treason?

  1. What do you think?

    Trump raises specter of treason - The Boston Globe
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  2. 20 Comments

  3. by   BCgradnurse
    Ok-I'll start. The short answer is "I don't know". Russia's alleged interference with the election process is certainly suspect, and the fact that Trump is not calling for an investigation makes me wonder if he was colluding with Putin to influence the voting. Wouldn't he be the first one calling for the investigation if he has nothing to hide? He wanted to spend millions to prosecute Hillary, but thinks pursuing this investigation is a waste of time and money?

    Makes me wonder.
  4. by   ZASHAGALKA
    No.

    Strap in. It's gonna be a long 4 or 8 yrs. If the Left is going to become unhinged every time the man tweets, you're surely gonna run out of credibility long before the wolf shows up.

    Why I didn't vote for Trump, in order:

    1. I don't trust his ideology. In fact, I don't think he has one. Mine is rooted in the Constitution which is further grounded in its idea that our rights come from our Creator, not government. The Constitution doesn't seek to grant me rights. It seeks to protect rights that are inalienably mine. Brilliant. That is the secret to American Exceptionalism.

    I'm not sure if DJT gives a fig about the Constitution at all. It's not even on his radar.

    2. Too close to Putin.

    3. I find his family and his relationship to them to be creepy.

    4. The chip on his shoulder to prove that a Staten Island boy can make it in Manhattan is a dangerous trait that can and will be exploited ruthlessly if he doesn't get over it.

    Hacked election? Treason? Baloney.

    We knew that stuff was there before the election. It was a prime feature of the second debate where they called each other puppets. Even if a foreign power intervened to push a narrative, and they probably did, is that different from BHO trying to influence the Israeli election? Or Brexit. No. Campaigns spend billions with a B to push Presidential messaging.

    Saying that putting a message in front of voters is hacking an election is silly. And I say that even as I agree that we should push back if true.

    But. Anybody paying attention knew before the election that DJT hero worships Putin. And that Putin is rewarding the flattery of it in hopes of exploiting it later.
    I did. And. It ABSOLUTELY influenced my vote.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Dec 19, '16
  5. by   heron
    Not there, yet. For one thing, we're not at war with Russia. Benefitting from a foreign government's actions isn't treason. Since conspiracy is hard to prove, I think I'd have to say no.

    Nor is it surprising that he would minimize the issue - after all, why would he question his own election?
  6. by   BCgradnurse
    Timothy-I don't the left is becoming unhinged every time he tweets-he tweets about nonsense because he is unhinged.

    Heron-We weren't at war with Russia when the Rosenbergs were executed for treason, so I don't think not being at war automatically negates the possibility of Trump, or anyone else, committing treason. Trump's actions are sketchy at best. He would never be charged with treason, but I truly don't think he has America's best interests in mind. The presidency is just another power trip for him.
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Dec 19, '16
  7. by   heron
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Timothy-I don't the left is becoming unhinged every time he tweets-he tweets about nonsense because he is unhinged.

    Heron-We weren't at war with Russia when the Rosenbergs were executed for treason, so I don't think not being at war automatically negates the possibility of Trump, or anyone else, committing treason. Trump's actions are sketchy at best.
    Well, I actually believe in innocent until proven guilty, so when such a question is asked, I look for proof. What I believe is that Trump is corrupt as hell and an opportunist par excellence - neither of which constitutes treason. We know that he knew that the Russian government was involved and he took full advantage of their fear of Clinton. Does that rise to the level of conspiracy to commit treason? I dunno.

    On the other hand, I remember the howls of outrage when Obama was polite to middle eastern heads of state. Like Timothy, I'm fascinated by the turnabout being displayed here.

    Since treason is automatic grounds for impeachment, we can be sure that he and his supporters will continue to be dismissive and do whatever they can to block anyone from asking any significant questions. That way, they can pretend the answers don't exist. Kind of like their approach to gun violence and climate change.
  8. by   nursej22
    Agree with Heron, I don't know if he's guilty or not. But the matter definitely warrants an investigation. I truly believe that DJT's narcissism keeps from him realizing that there is at least the hint of collusion, by him or his team, with the Russians. He thinks that whatever he says is the truth and the public doesn't need any proof.

    I do think there may be grounds for impeachment if he doesn't divest himself of his Washington, D.C. hotel, and /or makes business deals using the office of the President.
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
    I think it is entirely possible.
  10. by   ElvishDNP
    I don't know if it's treason or not, but it certainly should be investigated. If for no other reason than to demonstrate to a spoiled rotten man-child that actions do indeed have consequences.

    That said, and especially in light of the time I've spent in Central America this year:
  11. by   elkpark
    Quote from Elvish
    I don't know if it's treason or not, but it certainly should be investigated. If for no other reason than to demonstrate to a spoiled rotten man-child that actions do indeed have consequences.

    That said, and especially in light of the time I've spent in Central America this year:
    Yeah, "All Things Considered" did a piece last night about how many times over the years the US has acted, either covertly or openly, to affect the outcomes of elections in other countries (or has just, outright, overthrown a government in order to install one more palatable to the US). Karma's a *****, eh?
  12. by   rnmaybe
    You mean like Obama's interference in the Israeli elections?

    Quote from elkpark
    Yeah, "All Things Considered" did a piece last night about how many times over the years the US has acted, either covertly or openly, to affect the outcomes of elections in other countries (or has just, outright, overthrown a government in order to install one more palatable to the US). Karma's a *****, eh?
  13. by   elkpark
    Quote from rnmaybe
    You mean like Obama's interference in the Israeli elections?
    And, once again, you appear to be significantly twisting what facts are available in order to conform to your personal biases and agenda. When I Googled "Obama interference in Israeli elections" (since I don't recall ever hearing of this before), all that came up were the "usual suspect" right-wing websites, reporting on a congressional subcommittee report on State Department funds given to an Israeli NGO. The articles report that the State Department gave $350k in grant funding (grants the State Department was offering, as it does all the time, and for which various organizations applied) to OneVoice, an Israeli organization which works to promote a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians. After the grant funding was approved, the money was dispersed, and the period of time for which the grant funding was intended had passed, OneVoice was collaborated with another group, Victory 2015, which did have as its main purpose defeated Netanyahu in the elections.

    That was not the reason for which US funds were given to OneVoice, and Obama had nothing specific to do with the grant funding, which was an established and ongoing program within the State Department. And even the right-wing websites falling all over themselves to publicize this admitted that "a congressional investigation into a U.S.-funded Israeli NGO found no evidence that the group had used the funds to influence the tightly-contested 2015 Israeli election."

    State Dep’t Silent on Key Finding of Inquiry Into US-Funded Anti-Netanyahu NGO

    “The Subcommittee found no evidence that OneVoice spent grant funds to influence the 2015 Israeli elections. Soon after the grant period ended [November 2014], however, OneVoice used the campaign infrastructure and resources built, in part, with State Department grants funds to support V15 ... OneVoice did not use State Department funds directly for political activities, or seek State Department grants in anticipation of the Israeli elections, but it did use the campaign infrastructure and resources that it had built, in part, with State Department funds to support a campaign to defeat Prime Minister Netanyahu in the 2015 elections,” (Bolding in the original)

    Obama State Dept: $35K For Campaign Infrastructure Used Against Netanyahu In Israel Election
    The worst the Republicans were able to come up with was that the State Department didn't have sufficient safeguards in place to prevent that particular sequence of events happening.

    Most reasonable people would, I believe, consider that scenario a far cry from Obama "interfer(ing) in the Israeli elections." But, hey, don't start letting the facts get in your way now -- keep living in your right-wing fantasy land.

    Or is there some other instance of Obama "interfer(ing) in Israeli elections" to which you're referring? If so, I'd be glad to see some documentation.
  14. by   toomuchbaloney
    What we can be certain of is that Trump doesn't seem to have a grasp of what constitutes treason or threat to our republic.
    We can count on him tweeting lies about his political or negotiating skills.
    We can count on him to respond to serious questions with word salad and broken sentences.

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