I'm switching political parties

  1. I agree with much of the platform of the Humane Party. A vegan president would be awesome.

    Humane Party Platform – Humane Party
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  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    There are places in the world where eating a very low carbohydrate diet has always been a function of availability rather than choice.
  4. by   CryssyD
    Yeah, very low-protein diets are popular in the developing world, although not by choice. It's always struck me as a pathetic irony that the sacred cows of India could nourish so many starving children. Don't get me wrong, I love cows--they really are very sweet, very gentle. But I have to put my own kind first.

    Still, I think leaders who really respected life--ALL life--would be more responsible and careful in their decision-making. I wish all of the parties could be more humane, but right now we're barely human; the mud-slinging has devolved into feces-flinging of the lowest order, mostly of the male bovine variety.

    The Humane Party's platform takes me back to my college days, when I was able to believe in such things. I've lost a lot of that adolescent idealism--reality slapped me upside the head pretty darn hard. I still dream about those happy things, but always in a land and a time far, far from here. Sigh.

    It's a lovely platform. It'll never work. But we've got to keep trying--one day, I really do believe, we will get there.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    There are places in the world where eating a very low carbohydrate diet has always been a function of availability rather than choice.
    Yep, there are parts of the arctic where the native dwellers eat mostly fish, and parts of Mongolia that eat mostly red meat..yaks and stuff. Your point about the Humane Party in the United States?
  6. by   Tweety
    Quote from CryssyD
    Yeah, very low-protein diets are popular in the developing world, although not by choice. It's always struck me as a pathetic irony that the sacred cows of India could nourish so many starving children. Don't get me wrong, I love cows--they really are very sweet, very gentle. But I have to put my own kind first.

    Still, I think leaders who really respected life--ALL life--would be more responsible and careful in their decision-making. I wish all of the parties could be more humane, but right now we're barely human; the mud-slinging has devolved into feces-flinging of the lowest order, mostly of the male bovine variety.

    The Humane Party's platform takes me back to my college days, when I was able to believe in such things. I've lost a lot of that adolescent idealism--reality slapped me upside the head pretty darn hard. I still dream about those happy things, but always in a land and a time far, far from here. Sigh.

    It's a lovely platform. It'll never work. But we've got to keep trying--one day, I really do believe, we will get there.
    I understand about the irony about the cows. I like to think about it like this: could I eat my own dog if I were starving? That's kind of like how they feel. The animal industrial complex uses so much resources and food to feed the cattle, starvation could actually be eliminated in the world if these resources were used for plant protein instead. We can put our own kind first still.

    That said this isn't about diet and forcing people to be vegan. Their platform would be eliminate the cruelty, not the meat. Torturing animals and polluting the environment for food really shouldn't happen.

    Also, that's not all they are about. They are for a balanced budget and conservative spending for example. As a Humanist myself, I honestly believe that we can solve our problems. Am I naive enough to think we actually will...sadly no...we're hellbent on destruction.
  7. by   azhiker96
    It's unclear whether their anti-GMO stance applies to medications as well as foods.

    I do like that they support a balanced budget. I also like that they put a fair amount of detail into their platform.
  8. by   Tweety
    Quote from azhiker96
    It's unclear whether their anti-GMO stance applies to medications as well as foods.

    I do like that they support a balanced budget. I also like that they put a fair amount of detail into their platform.
    Good question. As with all parties, including Green there are things I don't agree with. I'm not necessarily on the anti-GMO bandwagon and science has not necessarily proven anything bad about them.....yet. I do think we have a right to know whether or not we're eating GMO's.
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from Tweety
    Yep, there are parts of the arctic where the native dwellers eat mostly fish, and parts of Mongolia that eat mostly red meat..yaks and stuff. Your point about the Humane Party in the United States?
    • lead their lives in accord with humane values, such values requiring, inter alia, adherence to what is popularly called a “vegan” and “cruelty-free” lifestyle;
    • pursue and achieve those political and legal solutions that accord with such values, such solutions including, inter alia, abolishing the property status of all other animals; and
    • oppose and defeat all proposed courses of action that would, if followed, conflict with such values.

    Many people outside of Alaska find Alaskan practices relative to animal use for food and clothing to be cruel.

    Who gets to decide, the person living in the arctic or the person living in the comfort of society?
  10. by   Tweety
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    • lead their lives in accord with humane values, such values requiring, inter alia, adherence to what is popularly called a “vegan” and “cruelty-free” lifestyle;
    • pursue and achieve those political and legal solutions that accord with such values, such solutions including, inter alia, abolishing the property status of all other animals; and
    • oppose and defeat all proposed courses of action that would, if followed, conflict with such values.

    Many people outside of Alaska find Alaskan practices relative to animal use for food and clothing to be cruel.

    Who gets to decide, the person living in the arctic or the person living in the comfort of society?

    Compared to the billions that need to be free from factory farming, this is not a big issue. However, a valid question. However, many people whom are against factory farm cruelty, myself included, are okay with indigenous practices and hunting/fishing for food, unless it involves trapping in which the animals suffer for long periods of time before being used. I have relatives that hunt and kill and use their deer for food and their hide for other uses. The animals lived good lives prior to being hunted, rather than confined to a cage without sunlight and adequate areas to move like chickens and hogs are treated.

    It's easy to lose site over the big picture and not get anything done because we're nitpicking. That's how congress operates. Probably wouldn't change under a Humane President.

    However, I can't answer your question based on what little I know about the Humane Party.
  11. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from Tweety
    Compared to the billions that need to be free from factory farming, this is not a big issue. However, a valid question. However, many people whom are against factory farm cruelty, myself included, are okay with indigenous practices and hunting/fishing for food, unless it involves trapping in which the animals suffer for long periods of time before being used. I have relatives that hunt and kill and use their deer for food and their hide for other uses. The animals lived good lives prior to being hunted, rather than confined to a cage without sunlight and adequate areas to move like chickens and hogs are treated.

    It's easy to lose site over the big picture and not get anything done because we're nitpicking. That's how congress operates. Probably wouldn't change under a Humane President.

    However, I can't answer your question based on what little I know about the Humane Party.
    I actually didn't expect that you could answer the question, it was more rhetorical than anything else.
    One thing that humans are quite practiced at is judging the efforts and lifestyles of others without any real personal or first hand knowledge or experience with those lives.

    Having said that, I am very much in favor of ethical treatment of animals. That doesn't mean that I don't agree with wearing animal fur, it means that I don't agree with keeping animals in captivity to provide that fur (mink farming would be an example). I don't mind families keeping animals for food, I mind corporate farms keeping hundreds if not thousands of animals in unhealthy conditions so as to maximize the profit to be gained from interacting in the food chain.

    I believe that we are healthier when we have regional and local sources for food which are more in harmony with the community.
  12. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from Tweety
    I agree with much of the platform of the Humane Party. A vegan president would be awesome.

    Humane Party Platform – Humane Party
    Except vegans live in denial of the animal suffering, damage to the environment, and unsustainable farming practices their diet entails.
    This shows me both a gullible type of person who easily falls for false propaganda, and a lack of critical thinking skills.
  13. by   Tweety
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    Except vegans live in denial of the animal suffering, damage to the environment, and unsustainable farming practices their diet entails.
    This shows me both a gullible type of person who easily falls for false propaganda, and a lack of critical thinking skills.
    Maybe vegans are a bit naive, but I don't think you can compare. By animal suffering do you mean field animals that are caught in grain machines and such? I'm not sure what unsustainable farming practices you mean, so you might have to enlighten me. But millions of acres are devoted to raising grain for farm animals. Finally, damage to the environment occurs with a vegan diet. Being a human being incurs environmental damage. Compared to the carbon imprint of animal farming, the amount of water used, the pollution, there isn't a fair comparison.

    I don't think vegans are in denial but hands down it's worse with the carnivore diet.

    This thread wasn't mean to debate vegan diet. The Humane party's platform clearly is vegan-compassionate based, but I'm not seeing denial. They is no mandate for turning anyone vegan that doesn't want to.
  14. by   azhiker96
    I just heard about this senate candidate here in Arizona. The Boiling Frog Party. I kinda like it. Gary Swing

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