If your side lost the election, time to secede from the Union? - page 4
If your side lost the election, time to secede from the Union? That will never happen, but people on the losing side of the presidential election are venting via a petition, on a White House... Read More
Nov 16, '12I found the comments about OWS kind of surprising too.
Another reason eye-witness testimony is not a good idea.
I saw them as HM-8404 stated. Plus, they left a big mess and broke windows and trashed the places they stayed.
Nov 16, '12And if they are financed and organized by a huge left wing bunch, that might be helpful too.
Nov 16, '12Yet another change of focus AND some generalizations about an entire group thrown in for good measure.
Nov 16, '12I don't see a change of focus, the topic is still being discussed. Generalizations? The whole thread is full of them.
Nov 16, '12Just to let you know about the Occupy Movement in NYC. Occupy Sandy Recovery | InterOccupy Hub
Occupy Sandy is a coordinated relief effort to help distribute resources & volunteers to help neighborhoods and people affected by Hurricane Sandy. We are a coalition of people & organizations who are dedicated to implementing aid and establishing hubs for neighborhood resource distribution. Members of this coalition are from Occupy Wall Street, 350.org, recovers.org and interoccupy.net.
I don't want to hijack the thread but OWS is not only what people see when they look for bad things. OWS was the first in place for those in need with Sandy. A little credit where credit is due.
Nov 16, '12A companion article to AKY's:
Occupy Wall Street: The rebels found their cause - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blog Term Sheet
Just because they're not making national headlines, doesn't mean they're not keepin' on. To quote Tip: all politics is local.
Nov 16, '12It occurs to me that part of the reason for the lack of awareness of Occupy's ongoing work is that it's part of the left that's invisible to those conservative posters who insist that Obama and Kerry are "liberal extremists".
But back to the original topic ... I believe the whole secede thing is pure venting. The secessionists certainly have a right to propose it but it remains to be seen whether anyone will undertake a serious effort to pull it off.
Personally, I see it as part of the "last gasp of a dying power base" phenomenon - as well as a bandwagon for radical right crazies like the Stormfront set to ride for a while.
While I'm keeping the corner of my eye out for any aforementioned serious discussion, I remain more interested in the white-supremacist crazies now joining the chorus. They're the ones who'll start another civil war, IMHO.
Nov 16, '12WI Republican Insists Romney Would Have Won if Voter ID Law Was in Place, But Admits "Not Dealing With the Real Reality" | PR Watch
Perhaps some states wouldn't want to secede if they could conduct national elections the way they want...
Nov 16, '12Quote from Medic2RNI think it is good to peacefully to petition and/or protest. It is good to raise awareness to a cause.As I see it, this is a protest.
The states are stating that something is wrong and that policies need to be addressed.
OWS did the same thing - protested what they saw as unjust. However, different tactics were used. One occupied the symbol of what they saw unjust, the other is using existing laws which the White House will have to address. I don't think these states are truly trying to secede, they are trying to raise awareness to their cause.
The difference I see is that one of the protests was praised by our government and lauded as free speech and the other is being marginalized because it not in lock step with the ideologies of the present administration.
For those that cheered the OWS for their right to protest, why is this any different? For those that criticized the ones that previously stated, if you don't love America and capitalism, then go live in socialist Europe - how are you being any different?
I don't know what existing law you mean.
President Obama invited Americans to create a petition. If the number of signatures is sufficient (I think 25,000) there will be a response from the administration. The secession petitions are posted on the White House web site.
Here is the site -- https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/
Petitions -- https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
Jan 14, '13White House answers petitions demanding secession from union: 'No'
The United States are set to remain united for the foreseeable future, after the White House issued a polite "no" in answer to calls for secession from parts of the South.Petitions had been submitted to the We the People website, which is run by the White House, from discontented individuals in eight states - South Carolina, Alabama, North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Texas and Louisiana. Each called for their state to be allowed to withdraw from the union. Each petition having attracted more than 25,000 names, the White House was obliged to respond.
The task of responding to the petitions for secession - which has not been tried since the end of the American Civil War in 1865 seemed to have settled the question - fell to Jon Carson, director of the office of public engagement. In thanking the petitioners, Carson noted in a statement posted on Friday that democracy can be "noisy and controversial".
"Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted," he said. "But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don't let that debate tear us apart."
Carson went on to explain that the founding fathers established the constitution of the United States "in order to form a more perfect union". They enshrined in law the right to change the national government through the ballot, Carson said, "but they did not provide a right to walk away from it." ...