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  1. Asst. Admin
    Nov 16, '12 by
    As I see it, this is a protest.
    The states are stating that something is wrong and that policies need to be addressed.

    OWS did the same thing - protested what they saw as unjust. However, different tactics were used. One occupied the symbol of what they saw unjust, the other is using existing laws which the White House will have to address. I don't think these states are truly trying to secede, they are trying to raise awareness to their cause.

    The difference I see is that one of the protests was praised by our government and lauded as free speech and the other is being marginalized because it not in lock step with the ideologies of the present administration.

    For those that cheered the OWS for their right to protest, why is this any different? For those that criticized the ones that previously stated, if you don't love America and capitalism, then go live in socialist Europe - how are you being any different?
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  2. Guide
    Nov 16, '12 by
    Many of those facilities belong to the federal government. They would not belong to Texas. It would be interesting to see how they dealt with illegal workers in their agriculture. I suspect they would encourage serfdom. As you say, it won't happen.

    Some of us in the rest of the country that keeps giving Texas/Texans more than it supplies financially would not mind too much if those states would leave. They would be saddled with their debt to the US. I suspect they would want foreign aid. I figure it is a wash. They want out. Go. Don't get or expect anymore free money from the US. Have a nice life tryingn to keep the serfs under control.
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  3. Guide
    Nov 16, '12 by
    Quote from Medic2RN
    As I see it, this is a protest.
    The states are stating that something is wrong and that policies need to be addressed.


    For those that cheered the OWS for their right to protest, why is this any different? For those that criticized the ones that previously stated, if you don't love America and capitalism, then go live in socialist Europe - how are you being any different?
    Those in OWS have been willing to do rather than talk. They developed systems to make the protests work. Unfortunately those in the red states are so used to being cared for by the federal government in so may ways, they talk big but have no idea what they would get if the really did follow through with the threats.
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  4. Nov 16, '12 by
    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Those in OWS have been willing to do rather than talk. They developed systems to make the protests work. Unfortunately those in the red states are so used to being cared for by the federal government in so may ways, they talk big but have no idea what they would get if the really did follow through with the threats.
    The OWS protests worked? Where? They didn't even have a unified voice. Heck most of them didn't even know exactly what they wanted to happen. A bunch of stoners and anarchists protesting and getting arrested for the crap they were doing is no way to get the country behind you.

    Saying I hate Wall Street isn't really making change. You need specifics. Like it or not the Tea Party was much more organized and it showed by affected elections in 2010.
  5. Nov 16, '12 by
    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Many of those facilities belong to the federal government. They would not belong to Texas. It would be interesting to see how they dealt with illegal workers in their agriculture. I suspect they would encourage serfdom. As you say, it won't happen.

    Some of us in the rest of the country that keeps giving Texas/Texans more than it supplies financially would not mind too much if those states would leave. They would be saddled with their debt to the US. I suspect they would want foreign aid. I figure it is a wash. They want out. Go. Don't get or expect anymore free money from the US. Have a nice life tryingn to keep the serfs under control.
    Texas would be saddled with debt owed to the US? That would be easy to balance with the price the US would pay for oil and the profits would stay in Texas rather than being shared among California, New York, etc. What facility would the US pull from Texas, NASA? Big deal that is a money pit anyway. I only used NASA as an example to show there are many high tech jobs in Texas.
  6. Asst. Admin
    Nov 16, '12 by
    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Those in OWS have been willing to do rather than talk. They developed systems to make the protests work. Unfortunately those in the red states are so used to being cared for by the federal government in so may ways, they talk big but have no idea what they would get if the really did follow through with the threats.
    Well, it's early in their protest. Perhaps they can follow the OWS model... take buses to DC, reside in tents, bang drums and defecate in the streets. I guess we need to give them more time to organize.
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  7. Guide
    Nov 16, '12 by
    I found the comments about OWS kind of surprising too.

    Another reason eye-witness testimony is not a good idea.

    I saw them as HM-8404 stated. Plus, they left a big mess and broke windows and trashed the places they stayed.
  8. Nov 16, '12 by
    And if they are financed and organized by a huge left wing bunch, that might be helpful too.
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  9. Guide
    Nov 16, '12 by
    Yet another change of focus AND some generalizations about an entire group thrown in for good measure.
    Well played.
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  10. Asst. Admin
    Nov 16, '12 by
    I don't see a change of focus, the topic is still being discussed. Generalizations? The whole thread is full of them.
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