If your side lost the election, time to secede from the Union? - page 2

If your side lost the election, time to secede from the Union? That will never happen, but people on the losing side of the presidential election are venting via a petition, on a White House... Read More

  1. Visit  chiromed0 profile page
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    Is it pointless? Perhaps. But until we quit looking at elections as winning and losing our innate sentiment will drive us apart. Elections are decisions; right or wrong depends on who you ask. What drives me up the wall is how each side claims to want to bring us together but continues to use the vocabulary of 3rd world nations segregating us to "class" by income: middle class, upper class. Why do we never hear them refer to people as "low class"? That's what they are saying in essence.

    Anyway, this happens every election. It doesn't matter who wins. It's also our right to do so and to remind the President of that every 4 years is probably not a bad thing.
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  3. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Talk of secession is silly, IMHO.

    So, if Texas secedes, the US moves it's border north and Texas maintains it's border with Mexico. When the next hurricane affects the gulf coast, they can provide their own emergency management response. Texas can create their own trade agreements to provide for their citizens and can form whatever type of government they prefer. They will no longer receive federal aid for schools or health care or law enforcement. The federal government will no longer maintain the national roads in that new "country". The country of Texas would be responsible for their own military to protect their stuff.

    Of course, travel from that new country into the USA would be much different for the citizens of that area than it is now. What currency will they use?

    Seems to me that the cons far out weigh the pros when considering this "option"...
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  4. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    It would not bother me if these people seceded from the Union, but wouldn't it be easier just to pack up & move? Petitions are cumbersome.
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  5. Visit  BrandonLPN profile page
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    It's funny that the "red states" that make the most noise about an overbearing federal government are also the same states that receive the most federal subsidies.....
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  6. Visit  CloudySue profile page
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    I say designate Texas as the new established country for anyone who does not wish to be a part of America any longer. People who want to move out of Texas and remain Americans will receive refugee assistance for relocation and repatriation. Anyone who is clamoring for cesession anywhere else in the US can sell their property to the US government to finance their immigration. After some time, when the dust has settled, our country can finally join the rest of the first world nations in the 21st century. And Texans can do whatever they want. Until we invade them for human rights violations.
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  7. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    Quote from tewdles
    Talk of secession is silly, IMHO.

    So, if Texas secedes, the US moves it's border north and Texas maintains it's border with Mexico. When the next hurricane affects the gulf coast, they can provide their own emergency management response. Texas can create their own trade agreements to provide for their citizens and can form whatever type of government they prefer. They will no longer receive federal aid for schools or health care or law enforcement. The federal government will no longer maintain the national roads in that new "country". The country of Texas would be responsible for their own military to protect their stuff.

    Of course, travel from that new country into the USA would be much different for the citizens of that area than it is now. What currency will they use?

    Seems to me that the cons far out weigh the pros when considering this "option"...
    Let's not forget Texas has the largest military presence of any state, plus NASA. They also have the vast majority of oil refineries. The last report I read showed Texas was adding more jobs than any other state. The red states also make up the majority of the US agriculture. If Texas were allowed to seal off their southern border and deport the illegals they would have a good chance of being self sustained if they seceded, which won't happen.
  8. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    Quote from CloudySue
    I say designate Texas as the new established country for anyone who does not wish to be a part of America any longer. People who want to move out of Texas and remain Americans will receive refugee assistance for relocation and repatriation. Anyone who is clamoring for cesession anywhere else in the US can sell their property to the US government to finance their immigration. After some time, when the dust has settled, our country can finally join the rest of the first world nations in the 21st century. And Texans can do whatever they want. Until we invade them for human rights violations.
    Join the rest of the first world nations? Do you mean China, Spain, Greece? Who exactly do you want the US to catch up to?
  9. Visit  Medic2RN profile page
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    As I see it, this is a protest.
    The states are stating that something is wrong and that policies need to be addressed.

    OWS did the same thing - protested what they saw as unjust. However, different tactics were used. One occupied the symbol of what they saw unjust, the other is using existing laws which the White House will have to address. I don't think these states are truly trying to secede, they are trying to raise awareness to their cause.

    The difference I see is that one of the protests was praised by our government and lauded as free speech and the other is being marginalized because it not in lock step with the ideologies of the present administration.

    For those that cheered the OWS for their right to protest, why is this any different? For those that criticized the ones that previously stated, if you don't love America and capitalism, then go live in socialist Europe - how are you being any different?
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  10. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    Many of those facilities belong to the federal government. They would not belong to Texas. It would be interesting to see how they dealt with illegal workers in their agriculture. I suspect they would encourage serfdom. As you say, it won't happen.

    Some of us in the rest of the country that keeps giving Texas/Texans more than it supplies financially would not mind too much if those states would leave. They would be saddled with their debt to the US. I suspect they would want foreign aid. I figure it is a wash. They want out. Go. Don't get or expect anymore free money from the US. Have a nice life tryingn to keep the serfs under control.
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  11. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    Quote from Medic2RN
    As I see it, this is a protest.
    The states are stating that something is wrong and that policies need to be addressed.


    For those that cheered the OWS for their right to protest, why is this any different? For those that criticized the ones that previously stated, if you don't love America and capitalism, then go live in socialist Europe - how are you being any different?
    Those in OWS have been willing to do rather than talk. They developed systems to make the protests work. Unfortunately those in the red states are so used to being cared for by the federal government in so may ways, they talk big but have no idea what they would get if the really did follow through with the threats.
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  12. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Those in OWS have been willing to do rather than talk. They developed systems to make the protests work. Unfortunately those in the red states are so used to being cared for by the federal government in so may ways, they talk big but have no idea what they would get if the really did follow through with the threats.
    The OWS protests worked? Where? They didn't even have a unified voice. Heck most of them didn't even know exactly what they wanted to happen. A bunch of stoners and anarchists protesting and getting arrested for the crap they were doing is no way to get the country behind you.

    Saying I hate Wall Street isn't really making change. You need specifics. Like it or not the Tea Party was much more organized and it showed by affected elections in 2010.
  13. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Many of those facilities belong to the federal government. They would not belong to Texas. It would be interesting to see how they dealt with illegal workers in their agriculture. I suspect they would encourage serfdom. As you say, it won't happen.

    Some of us in the rest of the country that keeps giving Texas/Texans more than it supplies financially would not mind too much if those states would leave. They would be saddled with their debt to the US. I suspect they would want foreign aid. I figure it is a wash. They want out. Go. Don't get or expect anymore free money from the US. Have a nice life tryingn to keep the serfs under control.
    Texas would be saddled with debt owed to the US? That would be easy to balance with the price the US would pay for oil and the profits would stay in Texas rather than being shared among California, New York, etc. What facility would the US pull from Texas, NASA? Big deal that is a money pit anyway. I only used NASA as an example to show there are many high tech jobs in Texas.
  14. Visit  Medic2RN profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Those in OWS have been willing to do rather than talk. They developed systems to make the protests work. Unfortunately those in the red states are so used to being cared for by the federal government in so may ways, they talk big but have no idea what they would get if the really did follow through with the threats.
    Well, it's early in their protest. Perhaps they can follow the OWS model... take buses to DC, reside in tents, bang drums and defecate in the streets. I guess we need to give them more time to organize.
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