House to approve Food Stamp Cuts
1May 16, '13 by StNeotserIf one in seven Americans is on food stamps, how about raising the minimum wage? I don't understand the perpetual goal of making the poor poorer and then not bringing any other legislation to solve it. Not sure about the Christianity bit. I imagine they just say they're Christians to get votes.
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A House committee rebuffed Democratic efforts Wednesday to keep the $80bn-a-year food stamp programme whole, as debate on the farm bill turned into a theological discourse on helping the poor.
The House bill would cut about $2.5bn a year - or a little more than 3% - from the food stamp programme, which is used by 1 in 7 Americans.
The committee rejected an amendment by Democrats to strike the cuts 27-17, keeping them in the bill.
Several Republicans talked about their Christianity and said the Bible encourages people to help each other but doesn't dictate what the federal government should do. "We should be doing this as individuals, helping the poor," said Representative Doug LaMalfa, a Republican from California.
7May 16, '13 by aknottedyarnIf Wal-Mart paid a living wage the number of food stamp recipients would decrease. If the minimum wage were a living wage the food stamp needs would decrease.
As long as we continue to allow the rich to control everything we will become a third world nation with starving children.
These GOP who talk about Christianity: If they really contributed that much to food banks and other resources there would be no need for food stamps. Our food bank gets donations and needs more daily. Perhaps those who have been hoarding the money off shore do not care about the eye of the camel.
3May 16, '13 by tewdlesA continued saga of the lack of compassion and critical thinking in the House Republicans...they apparently believe that none of their constituents will be harmed by this? All people on food assistance are liberal or progressive...hhhmmm.
Perhaps if the republican constituents weren't so distracted with the various "scandal" witch hunts put out there for them they could pay attention to what their legislators are actually doing.
3May 16, '13 by aknottedyarnFox yellow journalists play a key role in this. Distraction is a magician's main tool. Works in all kinds of circuses, and conservatives have learned this lesson well.
Look at how many topics we discuss here. When things get rough the topic is switched to Benghazi! It really is a buzz word for "I have no way to address your point so I will try to make you get distracted by more yellow journalism".
3May 16, '13 by tewdlesThere is an army of straw men offered up at every turn...when the "conservative" posters cannot actually support their outrage with facts.
They are entitled to their opinions and they may form them using anything they desire...including strawmen and contrived "news" and "scandals" and "disasters".
finally some of the conservative talking heads are beginning to tire of the never ending "scandals" that are purported to be "worse than Watergate"...seriously, it is a circus.
7May 16, '13 by sharpeimom GuideI feel cutting the SNAP (formerly food stamp) program is a national disgrace and that we should be held responsible. More families in this area use food stamps than do not. It is long past time we stopped holding individual breadwinners as well as their minor children totally responsible for their hunger. Groceries are expensive! I don't mean filet mignon and lobster, but the basics such as eggs, tuna, and dried beans. Tuna, which was .50 to .75 per can a year ago, is now twice that. Store brand white bread which was a dollar or so last year is now as much as $1.50.
In addition to the city's food bank, many area churches (including ours) have small food banks. When we shop, we always include a few things for the church's food bank. Usually, we try to include basics many of us take for granted, such as dish soap, soap, detergent, cosmetic basics such as shampoo, deodorant, hand lotion, baby wipes, diapers, etc. NONE of which is covered by food stamps but should be, in my humble opinion.
Trying to have a discussion about the food stamp program and the breakdown of its participants is like trying to pull a tooth without benefit of Novocain. I remember several such discussions being held -- in a manner of speaking. Trying to convince a bunch of schooled (but still uneducated) people who have never had a minimum wage job that people who do, or who have lost their jobs, or who work multiple jobs just to break even, aren't lazy and unmotivated can be next to impossible sometimes.
When I hear someone say something like, "They should use their savings before using food stamps!" I want to stomp my foot and scream! What savings, you idiots? When you have a minimum wage job or no job, savings are not a priority or possible. You're too busy figuring out how in heck you'll pay the rent. Food, even with food stamps, often becomes something looming large overhead at all times.
Some things aren't on the approved list that should be, just as there are some than should be banned entirely. When we begin to run low on such things as toothpaste, dish liquid or deodorant, whoever notices it first, adds it to the list on the fridge. For a food stamp user, they either do without or hope some area food bank or social agency has some. I do not feel things like sodas, Cheetos, etc. should be approved. I am NOT saying people using food stamps shouldn't buy sodas and munchies, just pay for them with cash! When our cash is tight, junk food is the first to go. Doesn't kill us!
If members of congress had to live on food stamps for a month or two, they would have their eyes opened quickly! What most people never realize is that poor and low income people are all around us. Not everyone "looks poor."
I wonder how many members of congress (especially Republicans) have ever talked with a person on food stamps? Probably a great number have, because use of the program is so prevalent. People just don't announce the fact that they use them.
In addition, it is vital that summer programs for kids that include breakfast and lunch not lose their funding! In this area, the YW, the YM, the schools, etc. provide meals with all their youth programs. These programs do not exist to replace food stamps, but rather to supplement them.
Congress must be forced to realize that most food stamp users are age eight and under and can't just "go out and do an honest day's work."
0May 16, '13 by StNeotserQuote from tewdlesI don't think the constituents care. There aren't any of the usual conservatives on this thread. Or the overtime thread. They've read them, but they're not going to respond.Perhaps if the republican constituents weren't so distracted with the various "scandal" witch hunts put out there for them they could pay attention to what their legislators are actually doing.
5May 16, '13 by tntrnQuote from StNeotserSometimes there is just no good reason to enter the fray, particularly when one is far outnumbered and one's opinions are not respected.I don't think the constituents care. There aren't any of the usual conservatives on this thread. Or the overtime thread. They've read them, but they're not going to respond.
5May 16, '13 by tntrnI find it incredulous that people bełieve only liberals such as themselves help stock food banks, or provide and serve meals at community centers, or that they are the only ones who have ever talked to poor people. That is utter poppycock.
2May 17, '13 by leslie :-DQuote from tntrnthis is exactly what i mean about "standing behind your truth" and my subsequent gripe of when people retreat.Sometimes there is just no good reason to enter the fray, particularly when one is far outnumbered and one's opinions are not respected.
what does being "outnumbered" have to do with anything?
i ask that most sincerely, as it seems that one would want to defend their beliefs...regardless of who and how many disagreed.
maybe i'm naive, but i have seen it here for years...
that the right (generally speaking) has no problem speaking their mind but once they are persistently challenged, they 'retreat', they whine, they pity themselves and feel misunderstood and victimized.
you also know tnt, there have been folks from the right who were/are extremely rude and antagonistic...
"disrespect" is not specific to polital ideologies.
Quote from tntrni'm sure there are conservatives that care about social inequities and depravity, but you must admit, it is not one of your core ideals or concerns.I find it incredulous that people bełieve only liberals such as themselves help stock food banks, or provide and serve meals at community centers, or that they are the only ones who have ever talked to poor people. That is utter poppycock.
it never has been, never will be, and that is precisely why the gop is trying to stay afloat today.
they're in huge trouble; know they need to change their image...and can't.
IF they did, it'd appear disingenuous and contrived.
but hey - i still say that you should stand behind what you believe.
that is precisely what gives one integrity and credibility.
anything else and you only end up losing respect from those outside looking in.