GOP tax bill and abortion

  1. Abortion Foes Are Cheering This Provision in New GOP Tax Bill - NBC News

    As if the bill didn't stink enough already, NBC is reporting that the GOP has tucked away language in the new bill that defines fetuses, at any stage of development, as "unborn children," which would become federal law of the land if it were to pass as written.
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  3. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from elkpark
    Abortion Foes Are Cheering This Provision in New GOP Tax Bill - NBC News

    As if the bill didn't stink enough already, NBC is reporting that the GOP has tucked away language in the new bill that defines fetuses, at any stage of development, as "unborn children," which would become federal law of the land if it were to pass as written.
    Oh, geez. Sometimes I can only shake my head in disbelief at this country.
  4. by   Ted
    Quote from Lil Nel
    Oh, geez. Sometimes I can only shake my head in disbelief at this country.
    I thought the exact same thing when I read this. . . .
  5. by   BCgradnurse
    Nothing is too low for them. Is there any language in there referring to the moral obligation to care for these "unborn children" once they are out of the uterus? Didn't think so.
  6. by   toomuchbaloney
    Did you hear that Notre Dame is cutting all birth control coverage from student and employee health insurance unless there is a doctor's now saying that it is medically necessary?

    Nothing says God's children have free will like forcing others to live out your beliefs. Apparently, God allows free will but the church forbids it.

    I wonder if this actually saved them money or if all the enjoyment was found in the control of women.
  7. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Did you hear that Notre Dame is cutting all birth control coverage from student and employee health insurance unless there is a doctor's now saying that it is medically necessary?

    Nothing says God's children have free will like forcing others to live out your beliefs. Apparently, God allows free will but the church forbids it.

    I wonder if this actually saved them money or if all the enjoyment was found in the control of women.
    I have seen posts online in a couple of political groups I belong to, that some ND alum are withdrawing financial support to the school over this issue. I hope it's enough to be noticeable by the school. I mentioned in another post that I have been watching The Handmaid's Tale. There's too many similarities between fiction and what's going on right now. Religious fanatics taking away the rights of women. How far will it go?
  8. by   elkpark
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    I have seen posts online in a couple of political groups I belong to, that some ND alum are withdrawing financial support to the school over this issue. I hope it's enough to be noticeable by the school. I mentioned in another post that I have been watching The Handmaid's Tale. There's too many similarities between fiction and what's going on right now. Religious fanatics taking away the rights of women. How far will it go?
    It will go as far as the rest of us will let them take it.
  9. by   elkpark
  10. by   toomuchbaloney
    NEB here. I think that was a smartly written essay that reminded us that if you want to know the intentions behind something, ignore the words and scrutinize the actions. These times seem very much like what must have happened just before we join The Handmaid's Tale (in the book anyway).
  11. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Oh, joy. Back to the Black-Market Abortion Biz! Open Season on Uteri!
    If someone has the connections and wherewithal, and desires to have an abortion, for whatever reason, they are going to find a way to get it accomplished. Those who don't have the wherewithal are going to be at the mercy of abortionists who aren't medically trained and don't know what they're doing, and/or can do nothing if something goes wrong, which for some, it inevitably will.
    Guess it's back to the bumper stickers:

    "Get You Laws Off My Body"
    and
    "If You Don't Believe In Abortions, Don't Have One"

    Such effective protests.
    We are all fetuses in the hands of "our" representatives, as the government continually squashes common sense with their big, fat thumbs, taking away individuals ability to choose for themselves!
    God gives us free will, but the government just can't let go; it's Micromanagement In The Extreme. Big Brother is Big Momma, Big Daddy, and Big Bad Wolf.
  12. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from No Stars In My Eyes
    Oh, joy. Back to the Black-Market Abortion Biz! Open Season on Uteri!
    If someone has the connections and wherewithal, and desires to have an abortion, for whatever reason, they are going to find a way to get it accomplished. Those who don't have the wherewithal are going to be at the mercy of abortionists who aren't medically trained and don't know what they're doing, and/or can do nothing if something goes wrong, which for some, it inevitably will.
    Guess it's back to the bumper stickers:

    "Get You Laws Off My Body"
    and
    "If You Don't Believe In Abortions, Don't Have One"

    Such effective protests.
    We are all fetuses in the hands of "our" representatives, as the government continually squashes common sense with their big, fat thumbs, taking away individuals ability to choose for themselves!
    God gives us free will, but the government just can't let go; it's Micromanagement In The Extreme. Big Brother is Big Momma, Big Daddy, and Big Bad Wolf.
    NEB here:
    I was a teenager in the 70s before abortion was legal in the United States. One of my friends in a small Midwestern town was traveled out of town by her parents to have an abortion when I was a senior in high school.

    My own mother had to stop attending high school in her senior year because she was pregnant with me. She graduated but she was also ashamed and married a man that she never should have married.

    The government has no business making any decisions about pregnancy or abortion. NONE

    I have no problem with the personal and individual beliefs of people who are "prolife". Protest is their right. Debate is welcome. At the end of the day, it's my body and none of their business. They will never be forced to abort a child.

    They may however, be asked to help pay for the care of children who were not aborted. Oddly, many of them really despise that part.
  13. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    NEB,
    Agree 100%.
  14. by   nursej22
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    NEB here:
    I was a teenager in the 70s before abortion was legal in the United States. One of my friends in a small Midwestern town was traveled out of town by her parents to have an abortion when I was a senior in high school.

    My own mother had to stop attending high school in her senior year because she was pregnant with me. She graduated but she was also ashamed and married a man that she never should have married.

    The government has no business making any decisions about pregnancy or abortion. NONE

    I have no problem with the personal and individual beliefs of people who are "prolife". Protest is their right. Debate is welcome. At the end of the day, it's my body and none of their business. They will never be forced to abort a child.

    They may however, be asked to help pay for the care of children who were not aborted. Oddly, many of them really despise that part.
    ^^ This, a thousand times.

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