GOP Kicks Women Out Of Contraception Debate - page 3

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  1. Visit  tntrn} profile page
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    Quote from herring_rn
    she is a morning drive comedienne who can be rude and offensive. dennis miller is a comic too. her surname is also miller.as caroladybelle said vasectomy would be a more appropriate discussion.do you think vasectomy should be made available by health insurance companies?
    offered, but certainly not for free. just makes no sense.
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  3. Visit  herring_RN} profile page
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    Quote from herring_rn
    she is a morning drive comedienne who can be rude and offensive. dennis miller is a comic too. her surname is also miller.
    as caroladybelle said vasectomy would be a more appropriate discussion.
    do you think vasectomy should be made available by health insurance companies?
    what is it with radio people named miller? lol

    as far as vasectomies go, if insurance wants to cover them, i certainly don't care. i don't have those parts anyway. but, i would be very upset if government says the insurance companies must cover them.
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  5. Visit  OCNRN63} profile page
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    Quote from heron
    An alternative view would be a religious corporation that takes my tax money shoving it's view of religious correctness down the throats of all the rest of us.

    Where, exactly, is a corporation's throat?
    That's what I've been thinking. If the religious healthcare organizations find this violates their beliefs, then they should just decline govt. funding. That way, they would be in a better position to argue their point.
    Last edit by OCNRN63 on Feb 22, '12
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  6. Visit  OCNRN63} profile page
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    Quote from caroladybelle
    Since when is the ability to "get it up" an absolute need or requirement to live, to the extent that others should have to subsidize it, against their personal beliefs.

    There are plenty of quadraplegics/paraplegics that report having quite satisfying sex lives, without a "typical" erection being involved. Since ED is certainly a "lifestyle" issue, more so than fertility, why do ED drugs get a pass from male conservatives, while BC takes the hit.

    And why do PCP volunteer prescriptions for ED up, with all their dangers, especially for the predominant target audience of older males......without focusing on many of the techniques of sexual expression and obtaining sexual satisfaction, that are not "erection" dependent and substantially cheaper and safer? We have conservatives pushing how dangerous and how bad for society that (predominantly female) contraception is, but not one word on the dangers of ED pills, as well as marriages/relationships harmed by them (some studies have demonstrated statistically decreased satisfaction in many partner relationships after use of viagra.

    (I've always noted a certain male conservative predeliction for cigars, references to balls/cojones, and liking for the Washington Monument, tall buildings, and making the WTC replacement as tall as possible. Coincidence? I think not)
    This reminded me of the early days of commercials for Viagra, when they used Bob Dole as their pitch-man. Eeewww. That was an image I wanted to forget.
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    Quote from OCNRN63
    This reminded me of the early days of commercials for Viagra, when they used Bob Dole as their pitch-man. Eeewww. That was an image I wanted to forget.
    I think Bob Dole was very brave. He had survived prostate cancer and was letting men know that you can have a sexual relationship with your wife even after treatment for cancer.

    Even though I didn't agree with him very much in the area of politics, I admire him for stepping up and making that commercial at a time when it just wasn't talked about.

    So - kudos to Bob!

    However . . .. nothing should be free to one consumer and paid for by the next.
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  8. Visit  aknottedyarn} profile page
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    Bob Dole may have been very brave to be open. It still freaked me out.

    I am still rattling around the vasectomy comments. Why won't an insurance company cover this surgery? And if they would do that then why is female BC so different. Why are we not seeing the Catholic Church all over this topic? I know we can't even talk to men about their dogs getting their surgery. I realize the dog loses more. Why the extreme sensitivity on the subject?

    I don't feel like goggling about the surgeries. Anyone know without spending much time finding out? Do most insurances cover this? How will it be handled with the new health care? Has there been any discussion even remotely like the BCP scandal. etc.
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    I don't feel like goggling about the surgeries. Anyone know without spending much time finding out? Do most insurances cover this? How will it be handled with the new health care? Has there been any discussion even remotely like the BCP scandal. etc.
    I can't speak for most insurances but my insurance currently covers both tubal ligations and vasectomies. As of 1/1/12, my copay doubled for my OCPs, though. Once my daughter is weaned or turns 1 (whichever comes first), I am getting the BTL since I know I am done having kids. Cheaper in the long run than paying for the damn pills.
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  10. Visit  MunoRN} profile page
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    Quote from Medic2RN
    From where I sit, I also see that this was a hearing about the question of whether the Executive branch of the United States has the constitutional power to mandate private businesses and religious organizations to pay for a service for their employees. If they don't then a penalty will be brought against the employer.

    The 2 Congresswomen were not kicked out, they walked out of the hearing because they could not get their way and exhibited an emotional tantrum in an attempt to take the focus off of the real issue and evolve it into a 3 ring circus. If they were so concerned about having a voice for the tens of millions of women, why did they walk out instead of remaining and have their voices heard? It was all a show to get women frenzied about how the GOP and men want to take away their BC. Please!

    It's definitely an election year and they'll stop at nothing to try to sway the vote.
    Kicking women out of the debate was not referring to the congresswomen, it refers to the fact that Issa refused to allow women's health witnesses to testify, such as Sarah Fluke, a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice. She seemed an obvious witness for the hearing since she can provide data on on a health plan that has had female contraception banned for many years. Healthcare experts were also barred.

    With nobody left to testify but religious leaders, the hearings had little validity, and in such situations it's not uncommon for both Democratic and Republican representatives to not take part, which would imply undeserved legitimacy.
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  11. Visit  herring_RN} profile page
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    5 sexual health services insurance will cover... for men

    ...1. Erectile dysfunction drugs
    From Viagra to Cialis, if a man has trouble getting or maintaining an erection (a common occurrence with age or with certain diseases), a pharmaceutical company has a $15 pill for that. And, in many cases, the man's insurance company picks up the tab.

    2. Vacuum erection devices
    Famously covered by Medicare (as well as some private insurance companies), men with erectile dysfunction that won't or can't go the pill route do have a another option. Though it first raised eyebrows in Austin Powers and is better known as a masturbatory aide, vacuum erection devices do work as advertised by will cost insurance companies $300-$500 a pop.

    3. Penile implants
    If a man's erectile dysfunction can't be mitigated with pharmaceuticals or vacuum devices, there's yet another method insurance companies will pay for afflicted men to try: penile implants. Though most urologists tend to use more modern inflatable models, which require users to manually inflate their own erections, some urologists hew to the older semi-rigid models despite their potential complications. Either way, the $10,000-$20,000 cost of the implants is often covered by insurance, particularly if the erectile dysfunction is the result of a disease or a side effect of surgery.
    4. Vasectomies
    Non-permanent male birth control options are still limited to condoms, the Vatican-approved rhythm method and the Biblically-condemned pull-out method. But for those men absolutely convinced their child-bearing days should come to an end before their intercourse-having days, a $500-$1,000 vasectomy is usually covered by their insurance. (Notably, most insurance plans do not cover a $6,000-$15,000 vasectomy reversal.)
    5. Circumcision
    Though circumcision is the subject of much debate in the United States, it is not considered a medically necessary procedure in most cases. Nonetheless, most private insurers cover circumcisions for newborns (which can cost about $100 out-of-pocket) and a few companies cover adult circumcision, which is significantly more expensive.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/2...cover-for-men/
  12. Visit  tntrn} profile page
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    Our insurance is great. However, it covers neither ed drugs or the vacuum device. After his prostatectomy, my dh tried viagra, did not like it. The vacuum device is acceptable when needed. We bought the $600 version and have never regretted it.
  13. Visit  OCNRN63} profile page
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    Quote from MunoRN
    Kicking women out of the debate was not referring to the congresswomen, it refers to the fact that Issa refused to allow women's health witnesses to testify, such as Sarah Fluke, a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice. She seemed an obvious witness for the hearing since she can provide data on on a health plan that has had female contraception banned for many years. Healthcare experts were also barred.

    With nobody left to testify but religious leaders, the hearings had little validity, and in such situations it's not uncommon for both Democratic and Republican representatives to not take part, which would imply undeserved legitimacy.
    I really dislike the idea of a bunch of men deciding these issues.
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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    I think Bob Dole was very brave. He had survived prostate cancer and was letting men know that you can have a sexual relationship with your wife even after treatment for cancer.

    Even though I didn't agree with him very much in the area of politics, I admire him for stepping up and making that commercial at a time when it just wasn't talked about.

    So - kudos to Bob!

    However . . .. nothing should be free to one consumer and paid for by the next.
    If he did it with our being compensated for his time, then yeah, maybe I could call that "brave." But my Spidey-sense tells me he got beaucoup bucks for it.

    I am unsurprised you disagree with my post.


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