General Election 2012 Thread - page 177

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    Quote from tewdles
    Why are we in debt up to our eyeballs with questions about SS and Medicare for our most vulnerable citizens? Because our legislators have (corporately) made VERY BAD choices for us. And now they want to punish us for their foolish, selfish, and grandiose behavior.
    Yep, it's a bitter pill to swallow that to quote a couple of other people our government "spent like drunken sailors" and left us with the bill. But the bill is what we have, do we pay it, deal with it or just pass it on to our children to deal with?
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    Poor memory and misspeaking perhaps? Doesn't bother me, a congressperson is supposed to get things done for his district and this involves money.

    In 2009, Ryan wrote to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis asking for stimulus money to cover costs on two energy conservation projects in his home state of Wisconsin. In the letter, Ryan said the funds would help create jobs and reduce “energy consumption” in the state. At least one of the companies received the requested cash.
    Presented With Letters, Ryan Admits Requesting Stimulus Cash - ABC News
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    Romney should actually thank Mr. Reid...he gets to brag about paying "13.6% or something like that" after being accused of paying zero and make himself look good.

    Romney says he's never paid less than 13 percent tax rate, challenges Reid | Fox News
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    Whatever Mr. Romney...prove it.
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    The problem when people misspeak is that it isn't always widely covered that they misspeak. People here the original accusations and remember only that.

    Paul Ryan slammed President Obama on Thursday for failing to rescue an auto factory in his Wisconsin district — one that closed in 2008, under President George W. Bush.
    The latest attack highlights the complicated politics of the auto rescue for Ryan, who was one of only a handful of Republicans to vote in favor of the 2008 bailout that President Bush signed as a stopgap measure to prevent the industry from going under.

    Paul Ryan Slams Obama For Not Saving Auto Plant — In 2008 | TPM2012
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    The debate about medicare is interesting and I'm trying to understand and cut through some of the politics.

    Romney says Obama raided medicare and will deny care to seniors.

    Romney podcast says Medicare was

    Obama did trim medicare, but not by cutting benefits to seniors.

    Romney’s right: Obamacare cuts Medicare by $716 billion. Here’s how.

    Note, that Ryan's plan left these cuts in place...because that's what Ryan does...cut. However, while Romney states his plan is nearly identical to Ryan's he would put those cuts back in the budget.

    Mitt Romney: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan And Mine Are The Same, 'If Not Identical'
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    Republicans are hungry for some new to criticize.

    Republicans knock President Obama for avoiding questions from the press - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
    Obama last held a press conference at the White House on June 8, when he said the private sector was “doing fine,” setting off a round of criticism from Republicans. He also took questions from reporters in June at the G-20 summit, and has also held a few one-on-one interviews in the ensuing months.
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    Romney is too secretive and I believe he’s hiding something that would turn off voters. He constantly flip flops and tells falsehoods on personal and policy issues. I don't trust either Romney or Ryan.

    I noted here yesterday that Mitt Romney is running a “just trust me” campaign, in which his lack of specificity and transparency extends far beyond just his tax returns, to his bundlers and to large swaths of his policy proposals. Intriguingly enough, Romney advisers have now come right out and confirmed the thinking behind this strategy.

    Romney advisers spelled it all out in interviews with Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei:

    Advisers say the campaign has no plans to pivot from its previous view that diving into details during a general-election race would be suicidal.

    The Romney strategy is simple: Hammer away at Obama for proposing cuts to Medicare and promise, in vague, aspirational ways, to protect the program for future retirees — but don’t get pulled into a public discussion of the most unpopular parts of the Ryan plan.

    “The nature of running a presidential campaign is that you’re communicating direction to the American people,” a Romney adviser said. “Campaigns that are about specifics, particularly in today’s environment, get tripped up.”
    But now, in what appear to be strategic leaks designed to mollify Republicans worried about the campaign’s lack of specificity, Romney advisers are explicitly confirming that all of this is part of a grand strategy to only signal general direction to the American people. It’s a guiding idea that specifics are a political peril to be avoided. The campaign thinks sharing details about what he’d actually do as president would be politically suicidal. As Steve Benen asks: “what does it say about the merit of Romney’s policy agenda if voters are likely to recoil if they heard the whole truth?”
    Romney advisers confirm it: We’re running a ‘just trust me’ campaign | Washington Post – Greg Sargent
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    Quote from mediajunkie650
    I don't trust either Romney or Ryan.
    You don't mean it!!!! lol
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