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  1. by   Tweety
    Quote from chare
    And as many of you on the left have rightfully pointed out when the discussion turns to Mr. Clinton that he isn't running, this is pertinent to Mr. Trump how?

    To be fair, that poster was answering a question from another poster and perhaps you should have quoted the person that asked the question, not the one that answered it. But I agree, what his father used to do isn't relevant.
  2. by   heron
    Quote from chare
    And as many of you on the left have rightfully pointed out when the discussion turns to Mr. Clinton that he isn't running, this is pertinent to Mr. Trump how?
    Given the endorsement of the KKK newspaper as well as David Duke, it's certainly an interesting connection.
  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from chare
    And as many of you on the left have rightfully pointed out when the discussion turns to Mr. Clinton that he isn't running, this is pertinent to Mr. Trump how?
    It is a portion of his personal history which might explain why he seemingly believes that some people (like himself) are just genetically superior to others. How he was raised is relevant to who he is today. Do you disagree?
  4. by   chare
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  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    It is a portion of his personal history which might explain why he seemingly believes that some people (like himself) are just genetically superior to others. How he was raised is relevant to who he is today. Do you disagree?

    Agree and disagree. How we are raised is relevant to who we are today. However, we are not our fathers. Some of us are the polar opposite, some bad fathers raise good kids and visa versa. We shouldn't judge a person by his father or upbringing. Some of us rise above.
  6. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from heron
    Given the endorsement of the KKK newspaper as well as David Duke, it's certainly an interesting connection.
    How so?
  7. by   heron
    His campaign "CEO" is the self-proclaimed media arm of the alt-right. Mother Jones has a long list of alt-right figures who claim him as his own. Many of his poposals over the course of the campaign read a bit like Mein Kampf. Like the alt-right, his strategy seems to depend heavily on bullying and intimidation.

    With his many appeals to nativism, bigotry, and bitter discontent, Donald Trump has enthralled far-right extremists with his campaign for president. According to an investigation by Mother Jones and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute, since Trump officially announced his bid in June 2015 he has drawn effusive praise and formal backing from some of the country's most virulent neo-Nazis, white supremacists, militia supporters, and other extremist leaders. They include the head of the American Nazi Party, three former Ku Klux Klansmen, four people involved in a recent armed standoff against federal authorities at an Oregon wildlife refuge, and at least 15 individuals affiliated with organizations described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups.


    Trump has disavowed none of them.

    ... During the Republican National Convention in July, Trump endorser Andrew Anglin, who runs a neo-Nazi website called the Daily Stormer, wrote: "The biggest story in the filthy kike media has been a few lines from Melania's speech which these Jews claim she stole from monkey Michelle."


    ... Others among Trump's extremist endorsers have advocated a violent overthrow of the US government, expressed hatred for blacks, Latinos, Muslims, and Jews, and threatened to "level and demolish every mosque across this country."
    Part of the list:

    Rocky J. Suhayda
    Chair of the American Nazi Party Andrew Anglin
    Publisher of the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer

    Alex Linder/Vanguard News Network
    Founder of the website Vanguard News Network, and a former member of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group

    Don Black

    Former KKK grand dragon and founder of the white supremacist website Stormfront

    August Kreis III
    Former KKK member and former Aryan Nations Minister of Information and Propaganda

    Rachel Pendergraft
    National organizer for the KKK-affiliated Knights Party

    Peter Brimelow
    Founder of the white nationalist website VDARE.com

    James Edwards
    White nationalist host of the Political Cesspool radio program

    Brad Griffin (pen name Hunter Wallace)
    Founder of the white nationalist website Occidental Dissent

    Matthew Heimbach
    Leader of the white nationalist Traditionalist Worker Party, and training director of the neo-Confederate group League of the South

    Gregory Hood
    Book author and blogger for the white nationalist websites Radix Journal and American Renaissance

    William Johnson
    Leader of the white nationalist American Freedom Party, and a former Trump delegate
    Meet the Horde of Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and Other Extremist Leaders Endorsing Donald Trump | Mother Jones

    Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. As the article pointed out, Trump has not disavowed any of them.
  8. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from Tweety
    Agree and disagree. How we are raised is relevant to who we are today. However, we are not our fathers. Some of us are the polar opposite, some bad fathers raise good kids and visa versa. We shouldn't judge a person by his father or upbringing. Some of us rise above.
    I don't recall suggesting that we judge someone by their father. I simply don't understand why his military schooling would be important but being raised with racist ideology and thinking would not.

    Certainly people change with exposure to new and different ideas, Clinton was raised in a Republican household but choose to become a Democrat.

    I'm looking for evidence in Trump's life that he moved away from racism and white supremacy.

    Got some?
  9. by   Tweety
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    I don't recall suggesting that we judge someone by their father. I simply don't understand why his military schooling would be important but being raised with racist ideology and thinking would not.

    Certainly people change with exposure to new and different ideas, Clinton was raised in a Republican household but choose to become a Democrat.

    I'm looking for evidence in Trump's life that he moved away from racism and white supremacy.

    Got some?
    Fair enough, you didn't say we should judge him by his father, but rather that how he was raised might be relevant. I still might not agree, as he's a 70 year old man. His racism, which is more like xenophobia to me, is a bit more subtle than the KKK. Whose to say that that didn't shape him. Still we have to deal with who is his today regardless of his father and how he was raised. Perhaps it might give us a bit of an understanding into him, but his actions today are what I'm interested. I've used that argument about Mrs. Clinton as well.
  10. by   elkpark
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    I don't recall suggesting that we judge someone by their father. I simply don't understand why his military schooling would be important but being raised with racist ideology and thinking would not.

    Certainly people change with exposure to new and different ideas, Clinton was raised in a Republican household but choose to become a Democrat.

    I'm looking for evidence in Trump's life that he moved away from racism and white supremacy.

    Got some?
    Here's a link to a Fortune article documenting his history of comments and actions related to minorities over the years (it's not a pretty picture ... )

    Is Donald Trump a Racist? Here's What His Record Shows

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