Donald Trump as GOP hopeful: Take him seriously Part II

  1. Congrats to Donald Trump and all his supporters for pulling it off. We'll be analyzing it for a while but now the victory celebration is there's to be had.

    My original thread that I started in 2011 was shut down understandably by moderators.

    Global markets tank as U.S. election results shock - Nov. 8, 216
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  3. by   StNeotser
    America is the country I expected it to be.
  4. by   macawake
    Quote from Tweety
    Congrats to Donald Trump and all his supporters for pulling it off. We'll be analyzing it for a while but now the victory celebration is there's to be had.


    Global markets tank as U.S. election results shock - Nov. 8, 216


    Obviously not the outcome that I think is the best for the U.S. or the rest of the world but if the people's will it is. For some time now we've seen populist politicians/political parties gaining ground in both Europe and Asia and I'm not that surprised that the U.S. now seem to have elected one. I think that the outcome of this election was mainly motivated by strong anti-establishment sentiments.

    The world is changing and not for the better in my opinion. Putin is showing aggression and I think it's a good idea to keep an eye on France in next years election where I wouldn't be shocked if Marine Le Pen wins.

    I think that what the world needs is a message of hope, solidarity and cooperation, not one of fear, protectionism and isolationism.
  5. by   Ted
    In music college nearly 40 years ago, I took a non-music course that studied "Theatre of the Absurd". To this day, it remains one of my favorite courses. (To a good degree, it has also influence my sense of humor and outlook in life.) Theatre of the Absurd, as the name suggests, is a style of plays and theatre that were absurd, "crazy", "weird". Written largely during the 1950s and 1960s, these genre of plays were often a parody of life, using wordplay, cliches, and out and out non-sense dialogue and actions. Most plays were critical of the signs of the times. As I witness the results of this election cycle, specifically the election of the next President of the United States, one absurdist play comes to my mind. It's a play titled, "Rhinoceros", written by Eugene Ionesco in the late 1950s. This play explores the themes of conformity, mass movements, the mob mentality. I remember it being in response to the Nazism of the 1930s-1940s, and the rise of Communism during the 1950s. It explores how easily humanity can collectively conform to some kind of extremism, where individual thought and critical thinking are sacrificed. This is absurdly demonstrated in the play as, one by one, people turn into rhinoceroses until no human beings are left. In my eyes, we have a new breed of rhinoceroses following a unique from of extremism: "Trumpism". A mass movement has taken place in this country which, unfortunately, sacrificed critical thinking in a big and dangerous way. "Rhinoceros" might be an absurd play. It also seems to capture a dangerous weakness found in humanity.
  6. by   BCgradnurse
    I am very sad and disappointed. Apparently I live in a happy little bubble that is out of touch with the rest of the country. I think America has made a grave mistake, but I genuinely hope to be proven wrong.

    On a humorous note, my state approved recreational marijuana. I may need to be high for the next 4 years...
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Nov 9, '16
  7. by   Tweety
    Republicans wanted change and while he has ultra-religious conservative Pence at his side, there is a bright side.


    The last good news from a Trump presidency is that it marks the decline of “religious conservatism” in American politics, which has done much damage to the Republican Party among well-educated voters, particularly women.
    It Is Possible for Trump To Be a Good President - NYTimes.com
  8. by   Ted
    Quote from Tweety
    Republicans wanted change and while he has ultra-religious conservative Pence at his side, there is a bright side.
    It Is Possible for Trump To Be a Good President - NYTimes.com
    I watched Donald's acceptance speech. To his credit, he at least attempted to appear more presidential-like. He talked about unity and said that he will work for all Americans. There were also a couple of other nice-sounding points that he made about fair pay, jobs and rebuilding our country's infrastructure. But I did take notice to one that that Donald did NOT mention at all. Donald did not mention "God" in in way, shape or manner. He didn't even say, "God Bless America" as most politicians often say after the end of their speeches.

    These next four years will surely be interesting times. . . .
  9. by   Farawyn
    Quote from StNeotser
    America is the country I expected it to be.
    Sad, innit?
  10. by   elkpark
    "Congrats"? Really? His speech about us coming together was obviously written by someone else who convinced him he needed to say it. It sounded like the height of hypocrisy, coming from someone who spent much of the last eight years doing everything he possibly could to discredit and undermine Obama as President, and, as recently as the last few days, was insisting that the election system was "rigged" unless he won and he wouldn't recognize the results otherwise. And now he wants everyone who finds him reprehensible to join hands and sing "Kumbayah"? I don't think so.
    Last edit by elkpark on Nov 9, '16
  11. by   Tweety
    Yes. Really.

    But no, I'm not going to be singing "Kumbayah" and I couldn't bear to listen to his speech.
  12. by   macawake
    Quote from Ted
    As I witness the results of this election cycle, specifically the election of the next President of the United States, one absurdist play comes to my mind. It's a play titled, "Rhinoceros", written by Eugene Ionesco in the late 1950s. This play explores the themes of conformity, mass movements, the mob mentality. I remember it being in response to the Nazism of the 1930s-1940s, and the rise of Communism during the 1950s. It explores how easily humanity can collectively conform to some kind of extremism, where individual thought and critical thinking are sacrificed.
    No doubt that the mood in the rallies that I watched oftentimes resembled a cult get-together. It's a reflection I've made in previous posts. I was uncomfortable witnessing the crowd's automatic and adoring cheers and laughs even when decidedly ugly things were said or displayed.

    I watched Donald's acceptance speech. To his credit, he at least attempted to appear more presidential-like.
    Even though this was a stark contrast to previous rhetoric and the speech was of course written by someone else I was still relieved to hear the more conciliatory tone. Whether it's sincere or not will have to be proven through future actions but I still think that it was important that he didn't opt to further inflame the mood and antagonize those voters who were painfully dissappointed to see him win.

    It was even slightly amusing when he said "Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country" because it was obvious that the crowd didn't really know how they were supposed to react. Boo? Cheer? What? Quite a 180 from "criminal and nasty" one might say... but still I think that calming the crowd was a much better option than the alternative. There has been more than enough hostility and hatred.

    Of course I realize that the speech was the product of smart speech writers and of course I realize its purpose but still, I find it a bit intriguing. What's his real persona? Both? No doubt he can be brash and arrogant (we've seen it) but were some of the offensive things said at the rallies simply a strategy to galvanize the crowds? Has he himself or someone else figured out that this would appeal to a large block of voters? If so, what does that say about those voters? Is he now going to emulate a different persona? Can he?

    I think that the biggest problem now is the uncertainty that surrounds this man. No one knows how he is going to behave. He will shortly be entrusted with a large amount of power. How will he handle that? Use it wisely or make rash dangerous decisions? The markets reflect that uncertainty. People's emotions reflect that uncertainty.

    I think that there are a lot of things he talked about/planshe described before the election that will never come into fruition. Build a wall? Totally impractical/borderline undoable. I don't think it will happen. Mass deportations? I don't think that will happen either. It would be a massive time and money-consuming enterprise and I don't know how agriculture and other areas where many immigrants work would survive without their help. I suspect it was mostly bluster.

    Imposing 45% tariffs on Chinese exports to the U.S. and 35% tariffs on Mexican exports? Don't think that will happen either. The costs of those tariffs would be passed on to U.S. consumers and businesses. I doubt that most Americans are willing to pay an extra 40% for their laptops or smartphones.

    Time will tell.


    As I said in my previous post, this wasn't the outcome I'd hoped for. At all. I don't think that he has the requisite experience for the job. Not that I've ever been President, but I imagine that it requires a very specific set of skills, knowledge and temperament. Being a businessman with no experience of foreign policy, diplomacy and the inner workings of politics will likely make the next for years a real challenge. As far as values go, I personally disagree with most of what he has said during the campaign but it's the lack of experience and his temperament that makes me worried.
  13. by   Farawyn
    Quote from elkpark
    "Congrats"? Really? His speech about us coming together was obviously written by someone else who convinced him he needed to say it. It sounded like the height of hypocrisy, coming from someone who spent much of the last eight years doing everything he possibly could to discredit and undermine Obama as President, and, as recently as the last few days, was insisting that the election system was "rigged" unless he won and he wouldn't recognize the results otherwise. And now he wants everyone who finds him reprehensible to join hands and sing "Kumbayah"? I don't think so.
    ^I'mwithher.
  14. by   Ted
    Quote from Tweety
    Yes. Really.

    But no, I'm not going to be singing "Kumbayah" and I couldn't bear to listen to his speech.
    You missed an interesting speech, Tweety. There was an attempt at reconciliation in that speech. Seriously. What was also apparent was how painfully unprepared Donald is to hold any office, much less the Presidency. It was lacking intellect, insight, and energy. Rather, it had all of the feel of a reality show star attempting to come across as presidential. (Or maybe Donald was just tired. I'll give the man a benefit of a doubt.) Still, it was both fascinating and painful to watch.

    I am going to miss President Obama. . . .

    As evidenced throughout history, the "majority" can be woefully wrong. This is another example.

    (The Rhinos have made their stamped.) (Pun intended.)

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