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  1. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    According to self righteous liberals only Republicans care about the rich and get rich off the backs of the poor.

    Quote from tewdles
    I didn't realize that republican legislators didn't get rich while in office just like democrats...

    I pretty much thought that their self allowed insider trading was available to all legislators...not just those of one party. Or perhaps the comments about dems getting rich in office was really just an opinion that was neglecting to consider the wealth increases of republicans because the author leans republican?
  2. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    Not everyone in Congress passed those bills or ran up that debt. The trouble is me and the other 53% pay for the debt not the 47% of free loading democrats that game the system. Should Warren Buffet the darling of the left pay the 1 billion he owes in back taxes? Shouldn't GE's Jeffrey Immelt a big Obama friend and supporter be paying their fair share.
    Buffett's Billions Can't Buy Him Exemption From His Tax-Averse Past - Forbes

    Quote from herring_RN
    Congress past the bills that caused the debt.
    Should they not agree to pay?

    Cutting spending and/or increasing revenue can decrease the debt in the future but if the ceiling is not raised the interest will go up.
    We are a wealthy country. We should pay what we owe.
  3. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    This thread and the finger pointing is one reason the Congress has gotten away with their behaviors that do not deal with issues until they become emergencies.

    The Congress and the rest of us were lied to by Bush and his minions about WMD, etc. He wanted to attack somebody after 9-11. This was a handy place to create a "reason" to go in. While you are worried about revisionist history please recall that Colin Powell was placed in front of the UN spouting lies that he knew at the time had been shown not to be true by reasonable intell.

    So we can spin our wheels and the GOP can contiue to avoid any reasonable discussion about how to avoid a shutdown that will cost more millions that will have to be paid. It will do little to change the fact that Congress is not doing what they are being paid, very well, to do.

    I would like to see suggestions that do not include Social Security, as this is not an entitlement, or Medicare, also not an entitlement. Personally I have paid much more into them than I will ever see. I continue to pay for Medicare. I would like to see the money borrowed from Social Security repaid rather than disembowel the program to feed their friends investment companies. We know how safe they are. Can we all say AIG together? How about BofA, Citi, Chase, Swiss Bank accounts, or even The Cayman Islands?

    If you make the lobbys that fund the lawmakers accountable, stop the subsidizing of industries that are bathing in million dollar profits while paying no tax, and cut out some of the obvious loopholes like the "borrowing" we found out about Romney doing to hide millions as he "lent"it to a charity we would be able to have a discussion. As long as the GOP refuses to discuss these things and cries cut, there can be no positve ending to this.
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  4. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    I am beginning to think that 22gwhiteacre may be a TROLL...
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  5. Visit  tntrn profile page
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    And now that Al Gore is much wealthier than Mitt Romney, let's see the outrage about how he hasn't paid any taxes for 10 years and all the rest of it. With his paying his fair share and Warren deciding to quit fighting his billion dollar tax fight and pay up, that would not only set such a good example but start the pay down on the debt.

    Then add to that all the Hollywood types who pay lip service to wanting the government to keep on doing what they are doing, but who are also hundreds of thousands behind in tax payments, we might have part of the problem solved.
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  6. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    The Congress and the rest of us were lied to by Bush and his minions about WMD, etc. He wanted to attack somebody after 9-11. This was a handy place to create a "reason" to go in. While you are worried about revisionist history please recall that Colin Powell was placed in front of the UN spouting lies that he knew at the time had been shown not to be true by reasonable intell.
    Let's take a look shall we at some the WMD liars on the left, some of it well before President Bush even ran for office.
    If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People — Version 3.0 | Right Wing News


    Quote from aknottedyarn
    So we can spin our wheels and the GOP can contiue to avoid any reasonable discussion about how to avoid a shutdown that will cost more millions that will have to be paid. It will do little to change the fact that Congress is not doing what they are being paid, very well, to do.
    How many house bills has Harry Reid not brought to the floor for a vote in the Senate? How many years has Harry Reid not completed a budget even though it is required by law?


    Quote from aknottedyarn
    If you make the lobbys that fund the lawmakers accountable, stop the subsidizing of industries that are bathing in million dollar profits while paying no tax, and cut out some of the obvious loopholes like the "borrowing" we found out about Romney doing to hide millions as he "lent"it to a charity we would be able to have a discussion. As long as the GOP refuses to discuss these things and cries cut, there can be no positve ending to this.
    How many hundreeds of millions did Obama throw away on Solyndra and the myriad of other alternative energy companies that went bankrupt? How many of those were donors to his campaign?
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  7. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    Quote from tewdles
    I am beginning to think
    Glad to see it.
  8. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    Glad to see it.
    Are you interested in having a nice, intelligent discussion? Twice now you have intentionally insulted and baited me...what is your agenda really?
  9. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    Let's take a look shall we at some the WMD liars on the left, some of it well before President Bush even ran for office.
    If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People — Version 3.0 | Right Wing News
    There's a difference between mis-stating evidence and stating what our response should be to that supposed evidence. The issue is not that the Administration received bad evidence, it turns out they received evidence that overall cast serious doubt on the claim that Iraq had WMD's, but then publicly stated the opposite. The examples you give are of Democrats who condemned Iraq's WMD's based on the info they were given, rather than distorting the info they were given to make a claim not supported by their evidence.
    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    How many house bills has Harry Reid not brought to the floor for a vote in the Senate?
    62 over the course of a single session of Congress, (all filibustered by Republicans, a new record)
    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    How many years has Harry Reid not completed a budget even though it is required by law?
    The US has never really had a true "budget". Federal "budgets" simply provide guidelines for appropriation bills, which is how money actually gets spent, no money is spent in the budget, nor are hard numbers set for spending. Guidelines for 2012 and 2013 were set in the 2011 Budget Control Act. He could try and totally re-do that, which would likely turn into a waste of senate time after either getting filabustered in the Senate or allowed to die in the house.
    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    How many hundreeds of millions did Obama throw away on Solyndra and the myriad of other alternative energy companies that went bankrupt? How many of those were donors to his campaign?
    The Solyndra loan process actually started under Bush, not Obama.
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  10. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    Glad to see it.
    Yes, pettiness is much easier to provide than a reasoned argument.
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  11. Visit  Jolie profile page
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    [QUOTE=MunoRN;7116884

    The Solyndra loan process actually started under Bush, not Obama.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, it did. It ended there, too, as the Bush administration ultimately declined to release funding, despite Solyndra's desperate last-minute January 2009 plea.

    I'm sure you accidentally hit "send" too soon and meant to include the following information:

    It’s mostly a recap of what we’ve already known, but the AP’s reporting guaranteed that the story would break into thousands of news outlets around the country. Fox News’ White House correspondent Ed Henry adds to the story by presenting more context for the Bush administration’s connections to Solyndra. The Left has insisted that Bush pushed subsidies for Solyndra too and is therefore at least as responsible for the collapse as Obama. Solyndra execs didn’t see it that way in January 2009, Henry reports, and ramped up political pressure to fast-walk approval for the loan guarantees...

    It was urgent — for Solyndra’s executives. The company’s financial footing was already precarious, which is why the Bush administration ended up deciding to wait for an independent market analysis on January 9, 2009. Solyndra execs were irate over the change.

    The new emails obtained by Fox News show that on Jan. 12, 2009, Energy officials received several emails from Solyndra officials pressing the department to make a decision and complaining about the Jan. 9 decision to do an independent market analysis....
    The next day, Jan. 13, 2009, [Bush DoE official Lachlan] Seward sent his email to Energy Department colleagues saying it was time to stop engaging with Solyndra officials.
    Apparently, the Bush administration officials involved caught a whiff of desperation and decided to back away. Too bad Obama administration officials didn’t make the same choice.


    full piece:http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/1...-january-2009/
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  12. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Are we still stuck on Solyndra?
  13. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Quote from Jolie
    Yes, it did. It ended there, too, as the Bush administration ultimately declined to release funding, despite Solyndra's desperate last-minute January 2009 plea.

    I'm sure you accidentally hit "send" too soon and meant to include the following information:

    It’s mostly a recap of what we’ve already known, but the AP’s reporting guaranteed that the story would break into thousands of news outlets around the country. Fox News’ White House correspondent Ed Henry adds to the story by presenting more context for the Bush administration’s connections to Solyndra. The Left has insisted that Bush pushed subsidies for Solyndra too and is therefore at least as responsible for the collapse as Obama. Solyndra execs didn’t see it that way in January 2009, Henry reports, and ramped up political pressure to fast-walk approval for the loan guarantees...

    It was urgent — for Solyndra’s executives. The company’s financial footing was already precarious, which is why the Bush administration ended up deciding to wait for an independent market analysis on January 9, 2009. Solyndra execs were irate over the change.

    The new emails obtained by Fox News show that on Jan. 12, 2009, Energy officials received several emails from Solyndra officials pressing the department to make a decision and complaining about the Jan. 9 decision to do an independent market analysis....
    The next day, Jan. 13, 2009, [Bush DoE official Lachlan] Seward sent his email to Energy Department colleagues saying it was time to stop engaging with Solyndra officials.
    Apparently, the Bush administration officials involved caught a whiff of desperation and decided to back away. Too bad Obama administration officials didn’t make the same choice.


    full piece:Solyndra pressured Bush WH for approval in January 2009 « Hot Air
    It did not "end" with the Bush administration. As your article points out, the Bush administration never made a decision to decline Solyndra's application. Waiting for more information prior to approving an application is not declining an application.


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