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  1. Jan 9 by
    You mean the same wars Democarats requested a revote on because they looked weak on defense and then fully supported including continuations of funding? The war in afghanistan the liberals called the good war? The war and escalations that the current president has presided over but was going to end right when he took office?

    Insider trading like the kind democrats in congress utilize to get rich? People like John Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, and Clair McCaskill?

    QUOTE=aknottedyarn;7108039]We know we have the same pathetic GOP that voted for all of Bush's "great ideas", 2 unfounded wars, lower the taxes, etc. it was fine when their friends were raking in the dough from defense contracts and insider trading. Now that their bill has to be paid they want to blame everyone else for their purchases. Kind of like buying steak for the entire restaurant and then trying to duck out on the bill because the interest rates of the credit card you put it on are high.[/QUOTE]
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    Jan 9 by
    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    You mean the same wars Democarats requested a revote on because they looked weak on defense and then fully supported including continuations of funding? The war in afghanistan the liberals called the good war? The war and escalations that the current president has presided over but was going to end right when he took office?

    Insider trading like the kind democrats in congress utilize to get rich? People like John Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, and Clair McCaskill?

    QUOTE=aknottedyarn;7108039]We know we have the same pathetic GOP that voted for all of Bush's "great ideas", 2 unfounded wars, lower the taxes, etc. it was fine when their friends were raking in the dough from defense contracts and insider trading. Now that their bill has to be paid they want to blame everyone else for their purchases. Kind of like buying steak for the entire restaurant and then trying to duck out on the bill because the interest rates of the credit card you put it on are high.
    [/QUOTE]I mean the wars both parties voted for. The Iraq war millions of us protested before and after "shock and awe" began the killing.

    Do you think we should have gon to war in Afghanistan?
    Do you think the USA should have started the Iraq war in 2003?

    If no answer I'm done posting on this thread regarding those wars.
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  3. Jan 9 by
    I didn't realize that republican legislators didn't get rich while in office just like democrats...

    I pretty much thought that their self allowed insider trading was available to all legislators...not just those of one party. Or perhaps the comments about dems getting rich in office was really just an opinion that was neglecting to consider the wealth increases of republicans because the author leans republican?
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  4. Jan 10 by
    Remy hits the nail squarely on the head:



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    Jan 10 by
    Congress past the bills that caused the debt.
    Should they not agree to pay?

    Cutting spending and/or increasing revenue can decrease the debt in the future but if the ceiling is not raised the interest will go up.
    We are a wealthy country. We should pay what we owe.
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  6. Jan 11 by
    Congress past the bills that caused the debt.
    Should they not agree to pay?
    Interesting statement. I know that the government was founded on the ideal of "for the people and by the people" but the people right now are scaring me because of their lack of concern for the debt ceiling. Yes, we should pay what we owe, but Congress should not be allowed to spend what we don't have in the first place. I know a budget is a guide, but we have a debt ceiling in place for a reason. It was meant as a final limit. Whether we like it or not our credit rating should go down because our government is spending our money like a teenager who just got her first credit card without a limit.
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    Jan 11 by
    Quote from msn10
    Interesting statement. I know that the government was founded on the ideal of "for the people and by the people" but the people right now are scaring me because of their lack of concern for the debt ceiling. Yes, we should pay what we owe, but Congress should not be allowed to spend what we don't have in the first place. I know a budget is a guide, but we have a debt ceiling in place for a reason. It was meant as a final limit. Whether we like it or not our credit rating should go down because our government is spending our money like a teenager who just got her first credit card without a limit.
    The money had been spent. We owe that debt.
    Shouldn't it be paid?
    Then spend less and/or increase revenue.
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  8. Jan 11 by
    Shouldn't it be paid?
    Yes, but this is where we need to say, okay, we will agree to pay down the debt but here is our plan for paying off debt as well.
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    Jan 11 by
    Quote from msn10
    Interesting statement. I know that the government was founded on the ideal of "for the people and by the people" but the people right now are scaring me because of their lack of concern for the debt ceiling. Yes, we should pay what we owe, but Congress should not be allowed to spend what we don't have in the first place. I know a budget is a guide, but we have a debt ceiling in place for a reason. It was meant as a final limit. Whether we like it or not our credit rating should go down because our government is spending our money like a teenager who just got her first credit card without a limit.
    We were in good shape before there were two unfunded wars. This is one of the huge reasons we are in this mess. Congress did not budget for these wars. The money was spent. Was the POTUS like a teen? Why call it "her first credit card" when it was caused by "his" giddiness about getting into wars.

    Regardless of where it came from it is a bill that must be paid. We cannot cut our way out of this debt. We need very careful budgeting to balance spending and employment and many other factors. I do not pretend to be aware enough of the specific situations, many not public, some for good reason, others just to protect their pork and lobbyists, to make informed choices.

    We hire Congress to make these choices based on their knowledge and ability to use information gathered. This is one place I see a huge problem. Many of the law makers do not understand nor do they seem to have the ability to accept new information, even when evidence can be shown. Some have made promises to some right wing lobbyist who is not in the loop to get new info so promises to his pledge can put our country in harm's way.

    If we do not use all the methods of cutting and adding money by taxing things like stock trades we will continue to live crisis to crisis. To stop at cutting the budget will not make it. Especially when we cannot seem to get the GOP to give specifics.
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  10. Jan 11 by
    Didn't president bush have a nearly unanimous yes vote from the senate for the war? It is hardly his war. He had much support for it. I find the attitude shown regarding that lacking in integrity.