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  1. Visit  Overland1 profile page
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    Remy hits the nail squarely on the head:



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  3. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    Congress past the bills that caused the debt.
    Should they not agree to pay?

    Cutting spending and/or increasing revenue can decrease the debt in the future but if the ceiling is not raised the interest will go up.
    We are a wealthy country. We should pay what we owe.
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  4. Visit  msn10 profile page
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    Congress past the bills that caused the debt.
    Should they not agree to pay?
    Interesting statement. I know that the government was founded on the ideal of "for the people and by the people" but the people right now are scaring me because of their lack of concern for the debt ceiling. Yes, we should pay what we owe, but Congress should not be allowed to spend what we don't have in the first place. I know a budget is a guide, but we have a debt ceiling in place for a reason. It was meant as a final limit. Whether we like it or not our credit rating should go down because our government is spending our money like a teenager who just got her first credit card without a limit.
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  5. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    Quote from msn10
    Interesting statement. I know that the government was founded on the ideal of "for the people and by the people" but the people right now are scaring me because of their lack of concern for the debt ceiling. Yes, we should pay what we owe, but Congress should not be allowed to spend what we don't have in the first place. I know a budget is a guide, but we have a debt ceiling in place for a reason. It was meant as a final limit. Whether we like it or not our credit rating should go down because our government is spending our money like a teenager who just got her first credit card without a limit.
    The money had been spent. We owe that debt.
    Shouldn't it be paid?
    Then spend less and/or increase revenue.
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  6. Visit  msn10 profile page
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    Shouldn't it be paid?
    Yes, but this is where we need to say, okay, we will agree to pay down the debt but here is our plan for paying off debt as well.
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  7. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    Quote from msn10
    Interesting statement. I know that the government was founded on the ideal of "for the people and by the people" but the people right now are scaring me because of their lack of concern for the debt ceiling. Yes, we should pay what we owe, but Congress should not be allowed to spend what we don't have in the first place. I know a budget is a guide, but we have a debt ceiling in place for a reason. It was meant as a final limit. Whether we like it or not our credit rating should go down because our government is spending our money like a teenager who just got her first credit card without a limit.
    We were in good shape before there were two unfunded wars. This is one of the huge reasons we are in this mess. Congress did not budget for these wars. The money was spent. Was the POTUS like a teen? Why call it "her first credit card" when it was caused by "his" giddiness about getting into wars.

    Regardless of where it came from it is a bill that must be paid. We cannot cut our way out of this debt. We need very careful budgeting to balance spending and employment and many other factors. I do not pretend to be aware enough of the specific situations, many not public, some for good reason, others just to protect their pork and lobbyists, to make informed choices.

    We hire Congress to make these choices based on their knowledge and ability to use information gathered. This is one place I see a huge problem. Many of the law makers do not understand nor do they seem to have the ability to accept new information, even when evidence can be shown. Some have made promises to some right wing lobbyist who is not in the loop to get new info so promises to his pledge can put our country in harm's way.

    If we do not use all the methods of cutting and adding money by taxing things like stock trades we will continue to live crisis to crisis. To stop at cutting the budget will not make it. Especially when we cannot seem to get the GOP to give specifics.
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  8. Visit  tntrn profile page
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    Didn't president bush have a nearly unanimous yes vote from the senate for the war? It is hardly his war. He had much support for it. I find the attitude shown regarding that lacking in integrity.
  9. Visit  mediajunkie650 profile page
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    Quote from tntrn
    Didn't president bush have a nearly unanimous yes vote from the senate for the war? It is hardly his war. He had much support for it. I find the attitude shown regarding that lacking in integrity.

    Iraq War Senate Vote

    YEAs -- 77
    NAYs -- 23

    Iraq War House Vote
    YEAs -- 296
    NAYs -- 133
    Last edit by mediajunkie650 on Jan 11, '13
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  10. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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  11. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Make no mistake, the Iraq war was entirely authored by the Bush WH...not the congress.
    Many of us believed then and more believe now, that we should never have engaged in that arrogant invasion that was certain to further destabilize the region.
  12. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    I seem to recall all liberals whining and complaining about Bill Clinton having to deal with Iraq because the first President Bush didn't complete the job of ousting Hussein. I also recall liberals saying that Afghanistan was the good war. I also saw liberals requesting a re-vote on the Iraq war and totally for it. You won't get away with your revisionist history on here and in the end you liberals will be called out on your hypocrisy. I find it amazing that liberals protested the wars when Bush was in Office but are not out there with Obama in office. No more media daily death tallies. Cindy Sheehan has been thrown under the bus. No more code pink.


    Quote from Herring_RN
    I mean the wars both parties voted for. The Iraq war millions of us protested before and after "shock and awe" began the killing.

    Do you think we should have gon to war in Afghanistan?
    Do you think the USA should have started the Iraq war in 2003?

    If no answer I'm done posting on this thread regarding those wars.
  13. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    Were you out there protesting Obama when he attacked Lybia? Do you complain about Obama when he "invades" pakistan with drones and navy seals to get Osama Bin Laden?
    Quote from tewdles
    Make no mistake, the Iraq war was entirely authored by the Bush WH...not the congress.
    Many of us believed then and more believe now, that we should never have engaged in that arrogant invasion that was certain to further destabilize the region.
  14. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    looks pretty unanimous to me. Is that the first vote or the re-vote that libearls demanded to be on-board with the war?

    Quote from mediajunkie650

    Iraq War Senate Vote

    YEAs -- 77
    NAYs -- 23

    Iraq War House Vote
    YEAs -- 296
    NAYs -- 133


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