The Big Lie Has Gotten Bigger

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    This is the poison harvest of a political paranoia that demonizes and dehumanizes one's opponents. We, the real majority who care about our country, have an obligation to reject the politics of personal destruction and the Big Lie on every side and to give our political opponents the benefit of the doubt that they may very well care just as much about America and their children's future as we think we do.
    http://www.creators.com/liberal/mark...010-04-24.html
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    I don't often agree with your posts but thank you for posting this article. I agree with the author that both political sides have engaged in mindless, borderline schizophrenic rantings about the other side. It's up to thinking reasonable people to reject these accusations. Bush did not engineer 9/11. Obama is a natural born American. There are enough real issues to discuss that we don't really need to waste time with imaginary ones.
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    Do I believe that the Obama presidency is some long-hatched conspiracy to infiltrate our country with a Muslim leader? No.

    But as a fairly active political junkie, I admit that I was surprised to learn that even though our Constitution sets for the requirements for our nation's president, there appears to be no formal mechanism in place to verify those requirements of a candidate or newly-elected president.

    Does it seem odd to anyone else that we can't enroll our kids in Kindergarten without producing a birth certificate, but a President can be sworn-in without one? This hasn't been an issue before because candidates voluntarily released all sorts of personal records to establish their citizenship, educational background, health status, etc. So why didn't Obama? Maybe he is an intensely private person. We really can't fault him for declining to do so when there is no requirement that says he must.

    While having this law on the books of one state will not prevent an unqualified candidate from running, or possibly even being elected, it has raised the citizens' awareness of a serious flaw in our election process. One that should be changed.
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    I like this fella's call to civility. Things have been getting nastier the last couple years. On this very forum I have been called "indoctrinated", and the name-caller got a kudos to boot.

    I think this nastiness is caused because people are afraid of what they don't understand. And, instead of trying to understand, some will dismiss and act rude.
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    Quote from Jolie
    Do I believe that the Obama presidency is some long-hatched conspiracy to infiltrate our country with a Muslim leader? No.

    But as a fairly active political junkie, I admit that I was surprised to learn that even though our Constitution sets for the requirements for our nation's president, there appears to be no formal mechanism in place to verify those requirements of a candidate or newly-elected president.

    Does it seem odd to anyone else that we can't enroll our kids in Kindergarten without producing a birth certificate, but a President can be sworn-in without one? This hasn't been an issue before because candidates voluntarily released all sorts of personal records to establish their citizenship, educational background, health status, etc. So why didn't Obama? Maybe he is an intensely private person. We really can't fault him for declining to do so when there is no requirement that says he must.

    While having this law on the books of one state will not prevent an unqualified candidate from running, or possibly even being elected, it has raised the citizens' awareness of a serious flaw in our election process. One that should be changed.
    Obama did release the birth-certificate.
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    Quote from FraidoCat
    On this very forum I have been called "indoctrinated", and the name-caller got a kudos to boot.
    as an aside, i just wanted to point out that one never knows what a poster gets a kudos.
    i am pretty liberal with them, and it's not always because i agree or support the poster.
    i could be using it as an acknowledgement, or that i liked one statement out of the entire post...

    you just never know why, so you can't take it personally.

    leslie
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    Some definitions of "natural born citizen" requires that both parents be US citizens. If this is so, then BHO doesn't qualify, since his father was not a US citizen. Also now floating around the internet, I'll have to look up the site, are papers where he applied to Occidential College in CA, but not as an US citizen, rather from Indonesia. In addition, a trip he made to Pakistan as a younger person was done when there was a travel embargo there for US citizens. That would beg the question: what kind of passport was he traveling under. I'll find that website....but not right now. Family priorities.


    That document from HI is NOT a certificate of live birth, which at the time, (and probably still does) have to be signed by mother and doctor. It is a certification and could be done for any child that was born, in HI or in another place. So that piece of paper is not proof to me that he was born in Hawaii.

    I do believe that he most likely was born there; that document doesn't prove it. The big question goes to the definition of Natural Born Citizen.
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    AMENDMENT XIV
    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.
    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    I AM a natural born citizen of the United States. I was born in the USA.
    My father was born in Canada.
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    u.s. supreme court

    u.s. v. wong kim ark, 169 u.s. 649 (1898)

    mr. justice miller, delivering the opinion of the majority of the court, after observing that the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth articles of amendment of the constitution were all addressed to the grievances of the negro race, and were designed to remedy them, continued as follows: 'we do not say that no one else but the negro can share in this protection.
    both the language and spirit of these articles are to have their fair and just weight in any question of construction. undoubtedly, while negro slavery alone was in the mind of the congress which proposed the thirteenth article, it forbids any other kind of slavery, now or hereafter.

    if mexican peonage or the chinese coolie labor system shall develop slavery of the mexican or chinese race within our territory, this amendment may safely be trusted to make it void. and so, if other rights are assailed by the states, which properly and necessarily fall within the protection of these articles, that protection will apply, though the party interested may not be of african descent.' 16 wall. 72. and, in treating of the first clause of the fourteenth amendment, he said: 'the distinction between citizenship of the united states and citizenship of a state is clearly recognized and established. not only may a man be a citizen of the united states without being a citizen of a state, but an important element is necessary to convert the former into the latter.

    he must reside within the state to make him a citizen of it, but it is only necessary that he should be born or naturalized in the united states to be a citizen of the union.'

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=169&invol=649
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