Betsy DeVos Confirmed as Education Secretary - page 4

DeVos confirmed!!!!!!!!! :yes: Good!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to shake up our failing school system in this country. Time to put Math and Science ahead of who uses which bathroom. Time for... Read More

  1. by   Markperry
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    gee
    Thanks Obama.
    Mine is more of the school district They are the fastest growing school district in the USA, and they think there kids need to upper crust of everything here, including school and many of them. High Schools look like college campuses, We just spent $30 million to build a Taj Mahal looking Administration building.

    Then they gave Jerry Jones and Dallas Cowboys $30 million so they could help build their Headquarters here.
  2. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from Markperry
    Mine is more of the school district They are the fastest growing school district in the USA, and they think there kids need to upper crust of everything here, including school and many of them. High Schools look like college campuses, We just spent $30 million to build a Taj Mahal looking Administration building.

    Then they gave Jerry Jones and Dallas Cowboys $30 million so they could help build their Headquarters here.
    sounds like your local we economy did well under the previous administration.
    Thanks Obama.
  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I homeschooled my kids for 4 years due to the horrible educational product of the public school district in the area I lived in at the time. Glad I had the choice and did this. They made leaps and bounds in that 4 years. My youngest is about to turn 18 and about to finish up her associate's degree. (and graduate high school at the same time). If my children were in public school now, I would return to homeschooling without reservation. De Vos is uniquely unqualified for this job in every way possible. All the teachers I know are beyond dismayed at this appointment, with good reason.
  4. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from herring_RN
    Thankfully most education decisions are made locally.
    Ah! You've come around to my point of view, federalism: let the states be sovereign, as intended.

    I support De Vos. I sincerely hope she destroys the Dept of Ed.

    That will not destroy education. But. It MIGHT force a few states to become reflexively resistant to interference from D.C.

    And THAT would be fantastic for education.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  5. by   toomuchbaloney
    It is crazy to me that modern people see no value in having National educational norms and standards. It is surprising that the conservatives living in rural and remote areas don't want federal funding for their schools.

    I guess we will see how this works out when the people have no department of education and there are no funds for our disabled students.

    Maybe we can use that money to build Trump Wall.
    Last edit by toomuchbaloney on Feb 11
  6. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    It is crazy to me that modern people see no value in having National educational norms and standards. It is surprising that the conservatives living in rural and remote areas don't want federal funding for their schools.

    I guess we will see how this works out when the people have no department of education and there are no funds for our disabled students.

    Maybe we can use that money to build Trump Wall.
    National standards aren't designed to help children excel. They're designed to produce citizens just capable of being blue collar workers and not much more.

    That might have worked 50 yrs ago and maybe even 30, but it hasn't worked for any part of the 21st Century. As a direct result, we are turning out HS graduates that can no longer function in an information society.

    They can scream on Facebook. They can Google and take pictures on Snap Chat and Instagram. But they can't function in a job. And so, unemployment is officially low only because millions have dropped out of the workforce. Because they can't hold down jobs, they turn to meth and oxy to tune out.

    Whole communities are under siege. These are the Obama voters who voted for Trump. Not the meth heads too undereducated to work, maybe, but their parents, or siblings, etc, living through the devastation those wrecked lives create.

    The education system is fundamentally broken. More money won't fix it. More strangling regulation from Washington hasn't fixed it. No.

    The only thing that will fix education is competition that will spur everyone to create a better mousetrap.

    I didn't vote for Trump, but this is what his voters want:

    They want to completely tear down the current system because they truly believe that is the only way to build something better. You might not agree, but you miss the point if you believe evil Republican voters don't care about children.

    However misguided they may or may not be, they want to destroy the current system BEFORE it destroys the next generation of THEIR children.

    You (generic you) think it's so obvious that the current administration is going to destroy the public education system and wonder how Trump voters can't see it. How could they have allowed that to happen? Allow it? They're praying for it.

    Not because they hate their children. Because they love them.

    Because they don't want little Johnny to grow up to be just like his Uncle Jimmy who is 30, never had a job for longer than six months and is probably at this moment strung out on meth on some temporary friend's couch....

    Washington doesn't hold the answer. Chicago is different from Lincoln, NE. What can work in one area won't work in another and Washington is too arrogant and full of itself to acknowledge the difference.

    My three older boys went through the public school system. One is thriving in graduate school, but let's face it, his ego and aptitude would have allowed him to thrive anywhere. One is making it and will probably go to college on his GI Bill, someday. He's a military veteran and will eventually land on his feet. He will land on his feet because he's a hard worker and dedication still has value. A good apprenticeship program would have been his best bet, but those are passé. My third adult child, well I'm raising his son, let's leave it at that.

    My school age daughter is being home schooled. As will my grandson be in due course.

    Washington provides 10% of school funding and 50% of school regulation. The schools are broken and Washington bears much of the blame. Yes, I hope the Dept of Education is brutally murdered by the current Administration.

    You get the Feds out of the way and let local communities dictate school policy, accountable to each other as a community, and my guess is that they'll let their teachers actually teach.

    If we ever decide to actually let our teachers teach again, what a renaissance in education that will be!

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Feb 12
  7. by   Spidey's mom
    Timothy and I go way back on this issue and I'm in his corner.

    And I worked as a school district nurse for 5 years (retired from that over a year ago) and saw up close what teachers have to go through to teach. I got to hang out with them in their lunch room (there are 11 campuses so it just wasn't one school) and sit and listen to their frustrations. They feel like puppets being manipulated by the federal regulations and are not allowed to teach the subjects as they wish. Don't even get me started on Common Core.

    I have to say I went from a parent who complained about teachers to being a lot more understanding about what they are up against.

    So, yeah . . . let's get rid of the Dept of Education and give the states back their right to figure out what works best for each district and increase competition as well.

    One of the things I read and can't find now is most of politicians who are screaming about Trump's choice of Betsy DeVos were able to choose to go to highly rated private schools or the better public schools. A tad hypocritical in my eyes.

    Timothy's right - just because we have a difference of opinion doesn't mean we don't care about kids. We care deeply and we see this current system isn't working. So yeah, let's shake things up a bit.
  8. by   Tweety
    I don't know much about this situation.

    I do think that eliminating the government regulations and standards will not elevate public education. I think that those burdened by regulations will find state control pretty similar in their need to regulate and have standards.

    I know the burden of regulations and feel that every day that I stay late charting. But to say "I can't nurse" because of it isn't true.

    I also think that during the crash saying that those who drop out of the work force can't handle the work force after they've been laid off (many of them being boomers competing with millennials who work for lesser wages) is a bit of a simplification and insult actually.

    I'm worried about states taking control and doing things like forcing people to learn about a talking snake and the beginning of man kind, or censorship because of religious control over "community standards"...of not learning about other cultures, etc. etc.

    There's no easy answer. But doubtful that eliminating government regulations for public education won't magically let the states give people a free for all, they'll just right their own regulations.

    I think we need better teachers. Good teachers can teach, just like good nurses can nurse...all the while fighting for the patient. I know someone whose spouse is a teacher, or a teacher will flame me for this. But there are some sorry teachers, and their standards for admittance and becoming teachers are very low. Unlike say Finland which has the most educated children in the world teachers are the cream of the crop of college graduates.

    She was a baffling unqualified choice, but I wish her well.
    Last edit by Tweety on Feb 12
  9. by   nursej22
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Timothy and I go way back on this issue and I'm in his corner.

    And I worked as a school district nurse for 5 years (retired from that over a year ago) and saw up close what teachers have to go through to teach. I got to hang out with them in their lunch room (there are 11 campuses so it just wasn't one school) and sit and listen to their frustrations. They feel like puppets being manipulated by the federal regulations and are not allowed to teach the subjects as they wish.

    Were they all federal regulations, perhaps from "No child left behind"?

    Don't even get me started on Common Core.

    I thought Common Core was not a federal program, that is was voluntary that states could choose to use. My daughter feels it's a much more logical system than rote memorization.

    One of the things I read and can't find now is most of politicians who are screaming about Trump's choice of Betsy DeVos were able to choose to go to highly rated private schools or the better public schools. A tad hypocritical in my eyes.

    I can't speak for all senators, but Senator Patty Murray, who fought for more than 5 minutes of questioning, came from humble beginnings and graduated from a state university.

    Timothy's right - just because we have a difference of opinion doesn't mean we don't care about kids. We care deeply and we see this current system isn't working. So yeah, let's shake things up a bit.
    When I was dissatisfied with my house, I remodeled it, I didn't burn it to the ground.
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from nursej22
    When I was dissatisfied with my house, I remodeled it, I didn't burn it to the ground.
    We just purchased a property with an old home that cannot be repaired or renovated. It is too close to other homes so we cannot burn it but we are going to dismantle it.
  11. by   BCgradnurse
    I am thankful my kids are out of school. I don't think appointing someone who knows nothing about public education, and does not believe in public education, to oversee public education is a good idea. But, we've seen a lot of this nonsense in this administration. Certainly public education needs improvement, but it is not the ruin many make it out to be. I am a staunch believer in separation of Church and State, and I do not want Ms. DeVos to insert her branch of Christianity, or any religion into our schools. I want children to be taught facts, and not religious fanaticism. If you want a religious education for your kids send them to a private religious school. My son's GF is a first grade teacher and my DD is working on her teaching degree. Both are appalled by the selection of Ms. DeVos and are afraid for the future of public education. So am I.
  12. by   nursej22
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    We just purchased a property with an old home that cannot be repaired or renovated. It is too close to other homes so we cannot burn it but we are going to dismantle it.
    Hopefully, before you move in.
  13. by   Tweety

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