Another look at global warming and wacky weather

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    I think it's probably going to take 100 years or more to look back and decide what the effects were. I suppose it's at least an accomplishment that they acknowledge that CO2 has increased, even if they are willing to gamble the future. Too bad, we should be the leader in mending what we've destroyed.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1446460.html
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    Quote from Tweety
    I think it's probably going to take 100 years or more to look back and decide what the effects were.
    Possibly in 100 years for consensus? I think you're an optimist.

    In any case, considering prehistoric levels of CO2 were 10 times higher than today's level I think the Earth will survive. Of course, it might only be populated by cockroaches and a few survivalists high in the mountains. ;-)
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    A somewhat different view from a fellow conservative/Republican:

    Shawn Lawrence Otto | A Message from a Republican Meteorologist on Climate Change
    My climate epiphany wasn't overnight, and it had nothing to do with Al Gore. In the mid-90s I noticed gradual changes in the weather patterns floating over Minnesota. Curious, I began investigating climate science, and, over time, began to see the thumbprint of climate change, along with 97% of published, peer-reviewed PhD's, who link a 40% spike in greenhouse gases with a warmer, stormier atmosphere.

    Bill O'Reilly, whom I respect, talks of a "no-spin zone." Yet today there's a very concerted, well-funded effort to spin climate science. Some companies, institutes and think tanks are cherry-picking data, planting dubious seeds of doubt, arming professional deniers, scientists-for-hire and skeptical bloggers with the ammunition necessary to keep climate confusion alive. It's the "you can't prove smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer!" argument, times 100, with many of the same players. Amazing.

    Schopenhauer said "All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally it is accepted as self-evident." We are now well into Stage 2. It's getting bloody out there. Climate scientists are receiving death threats and many Americans don't know what to believe. Some turn to talk radio or denial-blogs for their climate information. No wonder they're confused.

    ... What I keep coming back to is this: all those dire (alarmist!) warnings from climate scientists 30 years ago? They're coming true, one after another - and faster than supercomputer models predicted. Data shows 37 years/row of above-average temperatures, worldwide. My state has warmed by at least 3 degrees F. Climate change is either "The Mother of All Coincidences" - or the trends are real.
    The article in the OP makes the mistake of conflating climate with weather, among other things.

    Frankly, I'm no more impressed by Fox's "science" reporting than I am by their political or social reporting. Lott is a TV producer, for heaven's sake! Certainly no dummy, but hardly an expert of any kind on weather or climate. The only thing he's proven is that catastrophic weather can happen regardless of the long-term dynamics of the climate.
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    The writer cites an expert under most of the categories and the others are historical in nature.My point in posting this is that not all experts agree with Al Gore, who isn't a scientist either and a lot of he's predicted hasn't come to pass or has been disproved. There are always two sides to a story.
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    Quote from tntrn
    The writer cites an expert under most of the categories and the others are historical in nature.My point in posting this is that not all experts agree with Al Gore, who isn't a scientist either and a lot of he's predicted hasn't come to pass or has been disproved. There are always two sides to a story.
    No one can disclaim that the worst weather has occurred in the past and remotely and the article you posted is truthful. Still, I think we need to wait more than just a couple of years before deciding it's quackery. Like it said, it might be many decades before any of the predictions come true. Although the "sky is falling" mentality is annoying, it's kind of like our problems with the national debt, this country just wants to ignore any future problems while the train just keeps on running heading for the cliff.
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    Quote from azhiker96
    In any case, considering prehistoric levels of CO2 were 10 times higher than today's level I think the Earth will survive. Of course, it might only be populated by cockroaches and a few survivalists high in the mountains. ;-)
    And Keith Richards.

    Sorry for being irreverent in what is otherwise a serious thread.
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    Quote from Elvish
    And Keith Richards.

    Sorry for being irreverent in what is otherwise a serious thread.
    Keith Richards is just one year older than I am.
    He is very fortunate to have survived so long. I'd have expired years ago with his life style.
    I heard him on TV say he had to give up drugs or go to prison and lose his music. (yes I could understand his speech)
    He is an amazing guitarist. He can look so "out of it' and then come in right on time with the perfect lick.
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    Quote from Tweety
    No one can disclaim that the worst weather has occurred in the past and remotely and the article you posted is truthful. Still, I think we need to wait more than just a couple of years before deciding it's quackery. Like it said, it might be many decades before any of the predictions come true. Although the "sky is falling" mentality is annoying, it's kind of like our problems with the national debt, this country just wants to ignore any future problems while the train just keeps on running heading for the cliff.
    And by that same logic we should not accept as the gospel after just a couple of years either.
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    more like a couple of centuries:
    here are gathered in chronological sequence the most important events in the history of climate change science from 1800 to 2009 - global warming timeline
    Last edit by herring_RN on May 1, '12
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