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  1. by   heron
    Quote from Tweety
    The Atlas Shrugged comment went way over my head as I haven't read it. It was written two years before I was born and by the time I got in books it was a bit dusty.

    The comment was apparently funny to Steph.

    Is there a point relevant to this conversation? Someone tell me please.
    It was an attempt to one-up a previous observation about Orwell's 1984. Neocons think Atlas Shrugged is the last word in political-social philosophy, primarily (inj my opinion) because it attempts to promote greed and ethics-free self-aggrandisement as the only virtue. It's all very stark and aryan, complete with ubermenschen who decide to teach the rest of us who's boss by going on strike.

    I think the goal was to invalidate those who see parallels between Orwell's dystopia and the current attempted neocon coup. Didn't work, though.
  2. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from heron
    It was an attempt to one-up a previous observation about Orwell's 1984. Neocons think Atlas Shrugged is the last word in political-social philosophy, primarily (inj my opinion) because it attempts to promote greed and ethics-free self-aggrandisement as the only virtue. It's all very stark and aryan, complete with ubermenschen who decide to teach the rest of us who's boss by going on strike.

    I think the goal was to invalidate those who see parallels between Orwell's dystopia and the current attempted neocon coup. Didn't work, though.
    In fact it is an odd book and philosophy to be promoted by the self proclaimed party of evangelicals. More evidence that the GOP is running is own long term con of the religious conservatives in this country.

    IMHO
  3. by   Extra Pickles
    Quote from elkpark
    Oh, it's a real thing. It's the usual crowd of jerks and crackpots. The theory that I've heard is that the shooting was staged (i.e., the entire event was entirely fake and no one was actually hurt, let alone killed) in order to create support for gun control laws (so, y'know, the government can come and take our guns ...)

    The Sandy Hook Hoax

    Trump Ally Alex Jones Doubles Down On Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theories
    OMG I am truly horrified that anyone with any sense (or sensibilities) at all would suggest that these deaths did not occur, that this tragedy did not occur and that this is some massive hoax that only the feeble-minded would accept as truth.

    May they never realize the heart-stopping pain of losing a child, nor understand personally the terror of wondering if your own child is dead or alive while the SWAT team searches for bodies. I am thankful and grateful to NOT know this personally, but I know someone who DID experience this and there is no comfort that can possibly be given to help that heartache. And there are those who doubt this even happened??

    I don't even wish that pain on the fools who perpetuate hateful conspiracy theories. For them I have either pity or derision, depending on what they choose to spew. Hateful, horrible.
  4. by   elkpark
    Quote from Extra Pickles
    OMG I am truly horrified that anyone with any sense (or sensibilities) at all would suggest that these deaths did not occur, that this tragedy did not occur and that this is some massive hoax that only the feeble-minded would accept as truth.

    May they never realize the heart-stopping pain of losing a child, nor understand personally the terror of wondering if your own child is dead or alive while the SWAT team searches for bodies. I am thankful and grateful to NOT know this personally, but I know someone who DID experience this and there is no comfort that can possibly be given to help that heartache. And there are those who doubt this even happened??

    I don't even wish that pain on the fools who perpetuate hateful conspiracy theories. For them I have either pity or derision, depending on what they choose to spew. Hateful, horrible.
    There are people out there who not only doubt that it happened, but have stalked and made death threats toward the parents who lost children in the shooting. There are a lot of sick people in the world ...
  5. by   macawake
    It was an attempt to one-up a previous observation about Orwell's 1984. Neocons think Atlas Shrugged is the last word in political-social philosophy, primarily (inj my opinion) because it attempts to promote greed and ethics-free self-aggrandisement as the only virtue.
    In fact it is an odd book and philosophy to be promoted by the self proclaimed party of evangelicals.

    I have always been fascinated by the mental gymnastics required for an evangelical to embrace the teachings of Ayn Rand.

    Personally I find a philosophy that designates overt self-interest as the prime moral virtue rather dubious on both ethical and practical grounds. Our species would not survive without altruism.

    While I can understand how evangelicals/conservatives might find one of the components of her belief system; laissez-faire capitalism appealing, I don't know how they avoid cognitive dissonance when one considers the other aspects that her philosophy (objectivism) entails.

    Ayn Rand wasn't exactly a supporter of religion and her stance on abortion was vehemently pro-choice. I would have thought those viewpoints would be anathema to most evangelicals.

    Abortion —*Ayn*Rand Lexicon

    An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).

    Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
    (I'm not posting this to start a discussion about abortion. I merely wish to demonstrate that Ayn Rand's position on the topic doesn't coincide with what I assume most evangelicals believe. Ayn Rand had plenty more to say on the subject but I only included only the one quote, that was most neutral in nature. Suffice it to say that her opinion of individuals opposed to free choice appears quite harsh).

    So yes, I must admit that I'm surprised that many conservatives have chosen this particular writer as someone they promote.
  6. by   heron
    Quote from macawake
    I have always been fascinated by the mental gymnastics required for an evangelical to embrace the teachings of Ayn Rand.

    Personally I find a philosophy that designates overt self-interest as the prime moral virtue rather dubious on both ethical and practical grounds. Our species would not survive without altruism.

    While I can understand how evangelicals/conservatives might find one of the components of her belief system; laissez-faire capitalism appealing, I don't know how they avoid cognitive dissonance when one considers the other aspects that her philosophy (objectivism) entails.

    Ayn Rand wasn't exactly a supporter of religion and her stance on abortion was vehemently pro-choice. I would have thought those viewpoints would be anathema to most evangelicals.

    Abortion —*Ayn*Rand Lexicon



    (I'm not posting this to start a discussion about abortion. I merely wish to demonstrate that Ayn Rand's position on the topic doesn't coincide with what I assume most evangelicals believe. Ayn Rand had plenty more to say on the subject but I only included only the one quote, that was most neutral in nature. Suffice it to say that her opinion of individuals opposed to free choice appears quite harsh).

    So yes, I must admit that I'm surprised that many conservatives have chosen this particular writer as someone they promote.
    They promote her because objectivism, libertarianism and the prosperity gospel, are all actually just warmed over Social Darwinism, beloved because it justifies ethics-free domination as the "survival of the fittest" with wealth as the definition of "fit". (The republican version of Obamacare), enshrines that principle quite clearly, I think.) For evangelicals, since god rewards virtue with wealth, then the most wealthy are the most virtuous and should be emulated.
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  7. by   elkpark
    Quote from Extra Pickles
    OMG I am truly horrified that anyone with any sense (or sensibilities) at all would suggest that these deaths did not occur, that this tragedy did not occur and that this is some massive hoax that only the feeble-minded would accept as truth.

    May they never realize the heart-stopping pain of losing a child, nor understand personally the terror of wondering if your own child is dead or alive while the SWAT team searches for bodies. I am thankful and grateful to NOT know this personally, but I know someone who DID experience this and there is no comfort that can possibly be given to help that heartache. And there are those who doubt this even happened??

    I don't even wish that pain on the fools who perpetuate hateful conspiracy theories. For them I have either pity or derision, depending on what they choose to spew. Hateful, horrible.
    Quote from elkpark
    There are people out there who not only doubt that it happened, but have stalked and made death threats toward the parents who lost children in the shooting. There are a lot of sick people in the world ...

    Update on Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists; turned up on my news feed this AM, and I remembered posting about this in the past:

    Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorist Gets Prison Time for Death Threats Against Parent - NBC News
  8. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from elkpark
    Update on Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists; turned up on my news feed this AM, and I remembered posting about this in the past:

    Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorist Gets Prison Time for Death Threats Against Parent - NBC News
    Good!
  9. by   azhiker96
    Wolf Blitzer is concerned that the Barcelona attack is a copy cat of Charlottesville.

    In a discussion on air with CNN’s chief national security correspondent, Jim Sciutto, Blitzer wondered if the incident in Spain was possibly a “copycat” of the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.


    “Yeah, there will be questions about copycats,” Blitzer said. “There will be questions if what happened in Barcelona was at all — at all — a copycat version of what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia, even though there may be different characters, different political ambitions. They used the same killing device: A vehicle going at high speed into a group, a large group of pedestrians.”
    I guess he has forgotten about London, Munich, or other places where ISIS has used vehicles to run down people.

    The article is on Huffpost but I'm having issues linking it. Easy enough to find though.
  10. by   toomuchbaloney
    Yeah.
    Vehicles seem to be a weapon of choice for right wing extremists.
  11. by   heron
    However, let's not get too self-righteous about this. We all know very well that, as human beings, radical lefties are just as capable of violence - up to and including murder - as any right wing ammosexual. As far as Antifa is concerned, bricks and broken bottles can kill too. Then there is the fallout from their intentional violent provocation. The idiots throwing the bricks disappear, leaving innocent bystanders and non-violent protesters to deal with the backlash. Doesn't anyone here remember the Symbionese Liberation Army, SDS or the Weather Underground?

    Leaving aside the equivalence implied by AZ's post - which, I agree, is a false one - I think that this was the point he was trying to make.

    It is the choice to be non-violent in the face of threatened or actual violence that gives us moral authority.
  12. by   toomuchbaloney
    Heron, we certainly can agree that right wing extremists on both sides of the political equation.

    It seems to me, however, that the Anti Defamation League outlined that around 75% of homegrown terror attacks are completed by right wing extremists.

    Extremists from any perspective can be dangerous. Data seems to show that one is more frequently violent than the other. In order to believe that both sides are equally violent or dangerous, one must ignore history and facts.
  13. by   nursej22
    I suppose people could say that ISIS terrorists are copycatting Timothy McVeigh when they drive trucks filled with explosives into buildings, right?

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