High Schools Testing for Aptitude for Military

  1. What is this all about? I have never heard of this test before.
    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/horton.p...icleid=10055Ap
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  3. by   bethin
    I took the ASVAB back in my junior or senior year just so I could get out of class. It's an aptitude test to see what area you fit in would you join the military. BTW, I fit in with fighter jet pilot. Each speciality has a number that you must meet in order to specialize in that. But this was 8-9 years ago. Anyway, it IS voluntary and you cannot be forced to take it. Someone I hope will be sueing that principal and the school system.
  4. by   CHATSDALE
    did the writer of this really use the word 'prey' on the students

    i know that a lot of people in the military who educated themselves and served their country as well.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I think they have no business testing high school students. They have ASVABS for potential recruits who seek out military service. No place in the high schools for this.
  6. by   traumaRUs
    My husband teaches at an impoverished (more than 80% of the students receive both federally funded breakfast and lunch) inner city school. For many of these kids, the military might offer them a way out with some education, a paycheck and opportunity.

    As long as its voluntary, I don't see a problem with it.
  7. by   bethin
    I agree with you Trauma. There are alot of impoverished kids who do not have the money for college. The military provides a paid education and a chance to find out what you're really made of. They come out of the service richer in knowledge and self.

    As long as it's voluntary, it's ok with me.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I think military service should be sought out, not pushed in schools. This is where I disagree with many, I guess. And I am not against the military as you may guess, by my tagline. I just would not push it in high school, or really encourage it strongly to kids so young. They do enough of that in their ads on tv, radio and in magazines.

    Many kids' brains are not even fully developed yet, to the point they know not all they really are signing up for, especially as young as 17, which many are. And yes, parents have to co-sign their papers, but I just disagree with this so young. Many just see the "free education money" and far from realize the consequences they are taking on. I see it even on these boards when I read of people interested in military nursing "but not deployment". Some really have no clue!

    Anyhow, I know many disagree. And that is perfectly ok. Not encouraging my kids into military service, but if they decide on their own, I won't jump on them for it, either.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Nov 30, '06
  9. by   llg
    I took the test many years ago when I was in high school. We were never "recruited" in any sense of the word. We took the test and got the results telling us what skills we excelled at and what skills we did not have. It was useful information. Nobody twisted our arms to try to get us to join the military.

    Kids can (and should) use this information to help them plan their further education and their careers. Experts believe that most kids don't get enough of that sort of information to help them choose a career and/or educational path.

    I don't see any evidence of anything underhanded being done in the article cited in the original post. It seems to me to be a case of some anti-war activists and/or anti-military activists inciting a bunch of young kids to protest something that was designed to help the kids. It was the anti-war/anti-miliatary activists who exploited the kids' for their own political purposes -- not the school or the military.

    llg
  10. by   indigo girl
    Quote from llg
    It seems to me to be a case of some anti-war activists and/or anti-military activists inciting a bunch of young kids to protest something that was designed to help the kids. It was the anti-war/anti-miliatary activists who exploited the kids' for their own political purposes -- not the school or the military.
    llg
    Here are the TWO anti-war/anti-=military activitists:

    Quote from [url=http://www.antiwar.com/orig/horton.php?articleid=10055Ap
    Teens Frustrate Military Recruiter's ASVAB Scam - by Scott Horton[/url]
    17-year-old high school seniors Robert Day and Samuel Parker decided to act after Day overheard some teachers at Pepperell High School saying that first thing Monday morning the school's juniors would be made to take the ASVAB military aptitude test.

    As a senior, he would not be made to take the test, but Day confronted the high school principal, Phil Ray, in defense of students younger than himself, and was told that the test was mandated by federal law. Day says he already believed that to be false, since he remembered the test being given only to the kids actually trying to join the military the year before. Regardless, the principal dismissed his objections...

    ...Some of the teachers...insisted that their students at least go to the cafeteria even if they did not mean to cooperate with the military. Once they were there, the kids were informed that anyone who showed up in the cafeteria would be made to take the test...
    Last edit by indigo girl on Dec 1, '06
  11. by   llg
    Quote from indigo girl
    Here are the TWO anti-war/anti-=military activitists:
    When I read the original post, I thought there were some adults involved.

    Even if no adults encouraged the students to protest, it doesn't change my basic thoughts on the incident very much. Those kids had the opportunity to learn valuable information about themselves that would help them in their educational and career planning. Taking the test gave no obligation to join the military. The "anti-militarists," regardless of their age, influenced the kids to waste that opportunity.

    How sad. They let their political beliefs about the military prevent themselves and perhaps their fellow students from learning some valuable lessons.

    llg
  12. by   Cherish
    The test is VOLUNTARY I took the test in 98 and in 2000 to get out of class and so did many other students. It tells you potential career choices that you can choose. Its like back in the old days those tests guidance counselors use to give ya to tell ya what type of jobs would likely be good for you depending on the type of results from the test. You sign up for it, no one ask you to sign up for the test, then a couple days later you take the test. I did join the military, but I didn't join the military because of taking the ASVAB. There was a lot of people in my class that took the test but A LOT of people in my school never went in the military only like 3 in my grade that year, out of over 500 graduating.

    I think its fine to test in high schools and they've been testing in high schools all over the nation for years. For someone who might not be able to afford college but wants to join the reserve/AD they have to take the ASVAB. ASVAB is a requirement to get into the military you need a certain score to get into the military and also another certain score to get into the job choice that you want depending on what branch of service. If you have a teenager they've probably took the test cause they didn't want to go to to class. Sorry to say thats the main excuse, and they do not need to be contacted because the results are given within the school not to a recruiter who then bothers you at home UNLESS your child filled out that information. All that information is given out. A letter is sent home regarding the test and most parents don't mind it.
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Our kids have to have permission to take ASVABS where mine goes to school. He also has to take state tests, as well. Those are enough. If he wants to take ASVAB, it will be because at 18, he sought to do so. I am not allowing it in school. Voluntary, maybe. But I disagree with in school, just do.
  14. by   SmilingBluEyes
    PS

    the opportunity is not ever "wasted", as put earlier. There are always plenty of opportunities to take tests for aptitude in many ways, SAT, ACT, state testing, etc. Heck if you want lots of testing there is always the option to help a kid "find him/herself" other ways and with other tests---- you can always consult a good child psychologist or developmental specialist; they have plenty of these tests without obligation and are better-written and not as limiting as ASVABS, anyhow. The ASVABS serve to alert the military as to what capacity your child would be best used by the military, not the other way around!

    The ASVABS will ALWAYS be there for them at the recruiter's offices, where I believe they belong, not in the schools.

    I am no anti-war activist saying this, but a military veteran of 10 years' service---who would, on one hand, love to see my son follow Dad's and my footsteps and serve in the USAF. Like I said, I know plenty will disagree and that is fine. But my son won't be taking ASVABS til over 18 and on and of his own accord, not the schools', the recruiters', or even mine.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Dec 1, '06

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