Your Freedom of Belief

  1. "I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory of evolution. Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer before a football game. So what's the big deal? It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts. They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game. "But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles. According to our very own phone book, Christian churches out number all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect-somebody chanting Hare Krishna? If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer. If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad, I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer. If I went to a ping pong match in China, I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha. And I wouldn't be offended. It wouldn't bother me one bit. When in Rome... "But what about the atheists?" is another argument. What about them? Nobody is asking them to be baptized.. We're not going to pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds.. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand. Call your lawyer! Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. I don't think a short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's foundations. Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and grandparents taught us to pray before eating, to pray before we go to sleep. Our Bible tells us to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of people and their lawyers are telling us to cease praying. God, help us. And if that last sentence offends you, well..........just sue me. The silent majority has been silent too long..it's time we let that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard, that the vast majority don't care what they want. it is time the majority rules! It's time we tell them, you don't have to pray.. you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance, you don't have to believe in God or attend services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right... but by golly, you are no longer going to take our rights away . we are fighting back... and we WILL WIN!
    God bless us one and all, especially those who denounce Him...
    God bless America, despite all her faults, she is still the greatest nation of all.

    God bless our service men who are fighting to protect our right to pray and worship God. . . May 2005 be the year the silent majority is
    heard and we put God back as the foundation of our families and institutions.
    Keep looking up...... In God WE Trust.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA
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  3. by   manna
    Nice post, though a little hard to read with the formatting. Still enjoyed it. I agree, we should all be praying and thinking of those who are out there putting their lives on the line in our country's name.

    I was raised in a Christian home, but just to play devil's advocate here...

    Many people would argue that the nation was not necessarily founded on strictly Christian principles, that many of the founding fathers were deists.

    I don't think anyone is telling us to cease praying - prayer is a very private communication between a person of faith and their chosen deity. I think people are just asking that we respect the rights of those who are not of the Judeochristian faith - not alienating them by providing a public outlet for only one sort of belief system.
  4. by   fergus51
    Bizarre and freakish to me. I will never understand why Christians feel so persecuted in this country when they hold virtually all positions of power. If you need to have the state sanction your faith, it must not be that strong. No one is telling Christians they can't pray, just that you don't get to have the government force feed the rest of us your particular brand of religion.

    btw, I doubt you'd hear a Buddhist prayer in China since the communist party doesn't support religion and evolution isn't a high school teacher's theory, it's a scientific theory.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from fergus51
    Bizarre and freakish to me. I will never understand why Christians feel so persecuted in this country when they hold virtually all positions of power. If you need to have the state sanction your faith, it must not be that strong. No one is telling Christians they can't pray, just that you don't get to have the government force feed the rest of us your particular brand of religion.

    btw, I doubt you'd hear a Buddhist prayer in China since the communist party doesn't support religion and evolution isn't a high school teacher's theory, it's a scientific theory.
    once again, you crept into my head and said the words I was thinking. Thank you.
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    There isn't widespread discrimination of Christians, you are right. But there are instances of Christians not being allowed to pray or wear crosses or have their bibles at work. And those folks have a right to complain.

    steph

    edited to add a website where you can read about some of the cases, in case you are interested.

    http://www.aclj.org/
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Jan 8, '05
  7. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from stevielynn
    There isn't widespread discrimination of Christians, you are right. But there are instances of Christians not being allowed to pray or wear crosses or have their bibles at work. And those folks have a right to complain.

    steph

    Not really. Work isn't the place to practice your faith and it can be very uncomfortable for those of us who do not wish to hear your views on the Lord. At the last hospital job I worked, the unit secretary kept a small radio next to her computer which played gospel music and she and a couple of the nurses would discuss the scripture constantly. One poor soul was driven to write a letter to complain about the uncomfortable atsmophere.


    I do think it is unfair to ban people from wearing crosses and the bible should be kept in your bag until your lunch break. As for prayer, a lot of "Christians" seem to forget that God does hear silent prayer. You can do it anytime or anywhere.
    Last edit by SharonH, RN on Jan 8, '05
  8. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from fergus51
    Bizarre and freakish to me. I will never understand why Christians feel so persecuted in this country when they hold virtually all positions of power. If you need to have the state sanction your faith, it must not be that strong. No one is telling Christians they can't pray, just that you don't get to have the government force feed the rest of us your particular brand of religion.

    btw, I doubt you'd hear a Buddhist prayer in China since the communist party doesn't support religion and evolution isn't a high school teacher's theory, it's a scientific theory.

    Brava! Applause, applause!!!
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Ah but China also has a very restrictive government that intercedes in every aspect of your life, even down to how many children you may have and advocates for boy babies vs. girl babies. So the disproportion in boys vs. girls there. Plus their human rights history is appalling. Not exactly a government I'd hold up as a shining example of religious freedom.

    steph
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    Not really. Work isn't the place to practice your faith and it can be very uncomfortable for those of us who do not wish to hear your views on the Lord. At the last hospital job I worked, the unit secretary kept a small radio next to her computer which played gospel music and she and a couple of the nurses would discuss the scripture constantly. One poor soul was driven to write a letter to complain about the uncomfortable atsmophere.


    I do think it is unfair to blame people from wearing crosses and the bible should be kept in your bag until your lunch break. As for prayer, a lot of "Christians" seem to forget that God does hear silent prayer. You can do it anytime or anywhere.
    You should be able to practice your faith or lack thereof 24 hours a day without intruding on others. Having a bible at work and reading during my lunch break shouldn't bother anyone. I do think proselytizing is rude but not illegal unless it continues despite being asked to stop. We have wide-ranging discussion at work. It would be a bit difficult to limit those conversations to something that doesn't offend another person. Might as well walk around with duct tape on. I think the key is, if you do something that offends someone, apologize.

    I don't pray outloud unless it is with my kids at home or saying grace at meals. We do bow our heads and quietly without any fanfare say a prayer over a meal when we dine out.

    There are rude people of all persuasions . . .just look at the folks who talk loudly on their cell phones in a crowd .. as if we are all really interested in their conversation. So I'm sure there are rude Christians. No one is perfect.

    My daughter should be able to wear a cross necklace to public school if she wishes. She doesn't but she should be able to.

    Balance is the key.

    steph
  11. by   fergus51
    Quote from stevielynn
    Ah but China also has a very restrictive government that intercedes in every aspect of your life, even down to how many children you may have and advocates for boy babies vs. girl babies. So the disproportion in boys vs. girls there. Plus their human rights history is appalling. Not exactly a government I'd hold up as a shining example of religious freedom.

    steph
    I never said it was, I just think the person who wrote the original rant might want to put in the facts instead of just making some up.....
  12. by   live4today
    dear fran,

    bravo my beloved sister and friend! your post is full of a lot of truth, and my spirit identifies with the depth of your message. :kiss
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from fergus51
    I never said it was, I just think the person who wrote the original rant might want to put in the facts instead of just making some up.....
    Oh! I had to go back and read the original post. You are talking about the statement about playing ping pong in China and hearing a Buddhist prayer would not offend . . . when in reality you most likely would not hear a Buddhist prayer.

    I get it. steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Jan 8, '05
  14. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from stevielynn
    You should be able to practice your faith or lack thereof 24 hours a day without intruding on others. Having a bible at work and reading during my lunch break shouldn't bother anyone. I do think proselytizing is rude but not illegal unless it continues despite being asked to stop. We have wide-ranging discussion at work. It would be a bit difficult to limit those conversations to something that doesn't offend another person. Might as well walk around with duct tape on. I think the key is, if you do something that offends someone, apologize.

    I don't pray outloud unless it is with my kids at home or saying grace at meals. We do bow our heads and quietly without any fanfare say a prayer over a meal when we dine out.

    There are rude people of all persuasions . . .just look at the folks who talk loudly on their cell phones in a crowd .. as if we are all really interested in their conversation. So I'm sure there are rude Christians. No one is perfect.

    My daughter should be able to wear a cross necklace to public school if she wishes. She doesn't but she should be able to.

    Balance is the key.

    steph
    Well said, Steph.
    Last edit by gwenith on Jan 9, '05 : Reason: removed odd added script message

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