Wow! I agree with Pres. Bill Clinton!

  1. I was watching President Clinton of Fox News Sunday about him being asked why he didn't do more to get OBL.

    He was indignant, and rightly so!

    He SHOULD be indignant about such claims. Monday Morning Armchair QBing is easy.

    I WILL say that there is some explaining to do to compare his actions THEN to his party's rhetoric of it NOW. But, putting it all in context, it's unfair to focus on a retrospective look at what he did, using the knowledge we have now to justify actions then.

    "No, (these questions are fair but) I was set off on a tare because you didn't ask me these questions in an honest way." - Pres. Bill Clinton.

    "I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized the findings to kill him. I did more to kill him than anyone since." - Pres. Bill Clinton.

    "Nobody did enough before 9/11" - Brit Hume.

    "Richard Clarke advised, in 1999, a full scale attack against Al Qaeda camps before the millenium when it was believed there could be an attack. National Security Advisor Sandy Berger lined through that part of his memo with one word: no." - Chris Wallace, Fox News Sunday.

    "Wag the dog was all over this town. Everybody was comparing his actions to Monica" - Juan Williams.

    We WOULD have accused him of seeking OBL as a means to avoid the Monica scandal. I will say that all the vitriolic over Pres Bush has opened my eyes to a similar (but I believe somewhat less intense) vitriolic I had over Pres. Clinton.

    So, I would have to agree that it's unfair to paint his Administration's action in this regard by a future brush that maybe SHOULD HAVE BEEN, but was not foreseen.

    I think BOTH Administrations made mistakes and BOTH share some blame.

    It's not often I agree with Pres. Clinton. The questions are fair. A backward looking accusation isn't.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 24, '06
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  3. by   CHATSDALE
    I haven't heard the whole interview but i know that monday morning quarterbacks are never wrong

    i don't think that any elected president really gets up in the morning and say what can i do bad today

    they may make mistakes but they can't just sit there
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    I was in Stockton last week getting ready for my dd's softball game when I saw this on TV . . . and I just had to laugh. I don't agree with Clinton and I do think looking back to see where we went wrong is a good thing. How else to learn from history except to get the team together on Monday morning and go over the game? Clinton blew it - and it makes him mad that this might just be the biggest part of his legacy.

    He was pathetic in my view - he was "blindsided"? Some of the discussion afterwards on news shows centered on stuff like . . .um, he was on FOX - did he really expect the usual softball questions? He knows the ground rules before going on a tv show to be interviewed; after all he was the Pres at one time. Chris said the question was generated by emails from viewers and that is when he exploded. "I'm getting e-mails from viewers, Mr. President".



    steph


  5. by   Spidey's mom
    gosh there is alot on the net about this . . . .


    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...jQ2ZDBiNWJlYjE=

    ". . . . .But Clarke’s book does not, in fact, support Clinton’s claim. Judging by Clarke’s sympathetic account — as well as by the sympathetic accounts of other former Clinton aides like Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon — it’s not quite accurate to say that Clinton tried to kill bin Laden. Rather, he tried to convince — as opposed to, say, order — U.S. military and intelligence agencies to kill bin Laden. And when, on a number of occasions, those agencies refused to act, Clinton, the commander-in-chief, gave up.. . . ."


    But Wallace himself hit on the key media bias question in an interview with FNC's Eric Shawn around 11am this morning (last Sunday). Trying to explain Clinton's hot reaction, Wallace said he read the transcripts of the ex-President's other media appearances in the last few days -- on NBC's 'Meet the Press,' CNN's 'Larry King Live,' FNC's 'On the Record with Greta van Susteren,' among other programs. Wallace said he was "astonished" that none of the others even bothered to raise the terrorism question with Clinton, particularly with his team's attacks on ABC's "Path to 9/11" docu-drama. (FOX News).

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Oct 1, '06
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    A new article today . . .

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...jY5NzEyNGNlYjQ=


    " . . . . We have been barely coping because we have never made a decision to go all-out, partly due to the restraining influence of Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld. Oddly, given the way he has become a hate-figure for Democrats, it is Rumsfeld who is perhaps closest to the Democrats' preferred Iraq strategy as any other major figure in the Bush administration."


    steph
  7. by   pickledpepperRN
  8. by   indigo girl
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Spacenurse - your clip was funny.

    Indigo - I disagree with almost everything Keith said. And his quotes of 1984 at the end mirror what the leaders of the Democratic Party are actually doing. Not caring about what is right but what will put them back in power.

    Bill Clinton was not treated badly - that question was a fair question. One that could be asked of President Bush too. His response struck me as juvenile - something my elementary school aged kids might have said . .. "well, at least I tried". The truth is, he didn't try. He gave up.

    And the media has been treating Clinton with kid gloves . . .it is about time someone asked him a HARD question. Bravo to Chris Wallace.

    steph
  10. by   indigo girl
    Quote from stevielynn
    Spacenurse - your clip was funny.

    Indigo - I disagree with almost everything Keith said. And his quotes of 1984 at the end mirror what the leaders of the Democratic Party are actually doing. Not caring about what is right but what will put them back in power.

    Bill Clinton was not treated badly - that question was a fair question. One that could be asked of President Bush too. His response struck me as juvenile - something my elementary school aged kids might have said . .. "well, at least I tried". The truth is, he didn't try. He gave up.

    And the media has been treating Clinton with kid gloves . . .it is about time someone asked him a HARD question. Bravo to Chris Wallace.

    steph
    I also agree that it was a valid question. But, Keith was right on target about the Lewinski nonsense. I do find all of it entertaining, however, now that I have stopped taking this all personally. Must be that cynical part of me, I guess. Democrats, Republicans, they are all about trying to be in control. It won't matter which is in power. I find them all equally (with few exceptions) dishonest.
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    Keith was way off target or at the very least conveniently has forgotten the 90's . . .



    ". . . .Like here's one: phone sex-which I think is a pretty good 90's analogue of Instant-Message (IM) sex. According to Monica Lewinsky, she had President Clinton had phone sex some FIFTEEN TIMES. We don't have transcripts of these, er, sessions of course. We don't know what the President of the United States was precisely saying, or squealing, like we do with the comparatively tame Foley (who, for all we know, was not actually having a physical sexual relationship with the objects of his virtual sexual attentions). But we do know that at least some of these phone-sex sessions took place on non-secure phone lines-creating the possibility that they could be eavesdropped on by foreign agents, compromising Clinton and our national security.. . ."

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...2Y3ZTZmMjIwMGE=

    ************

    Now I'm not saying that Foley shouldn't have resigned . . but it is a bit disingenious to jump on this bandwagon when you didn't jump on the other one.

    As a former Democrat, nothing bugs me more than seeing anyone of either party being hypocritical. Just to further the party's power. To hell with what is right or good for our country.

    steph
  12. by   ZASHAGALKA
    It's not that I buy into the politic rhetoric. And it's not that I don't agree that SOMETHING should have been done.

    But, it wasn't. We were asleep at the switch. All of us. Not just Republicans. Not just Democrats. The political blame game is what I have a problem with here.

    I have a severe distaste to the concept that 9/11 should be a political football.

    So, I agree with Pres. Clinton: it's unfair to blame him based upon perfect hindsight. Just as I agree with the Bush Administration over the same concept.

    At some point, it is the American People: in it together.

    Partisan politics have their places, just not every place.

    Or to bring it down to a grade school level: my Jr. recently intimidated a bully to leave my Freshman alone. His rationale: "Hey! Only I can pick on my brother."

    There it is, in a nutshell.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  13. by   Roy Fokker
    moderator note:

    split the congress sex scandals posts to the congressman foley thread.

    cheers,
    roy
    allnurses.com moderator
  14. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from roy fokker
    moderator note:

    split the congress sex scandals posts to the congressman foley thread.

    cheers,
    roy
    allnurses.com moderator
    thanks . . . sometimes these threads get rather serpentine (winding one way and another). . . . .

    steph

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