wonder what this is all about?

  1. Picked this up off of the latest news on my Yahoo home page.

    British Find Remains of 200 People Near Basra
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    AS SAYLIYA CAMP, Qatar (Reuters) - British forces said on Saturday they had found the remains of as many as 200 people in a barracks near Iraq (news - web sites)'s second city Basra and they were sending in forensic experts to investigate

    Pool television pictures showed dozens of simple wooden coffins and plastic bags full of bones which a military spokesman on the scene said might be from a previous war as they were quite old.

    "They discovered some bodies in a barracks between Basra and Az Zubair," a British military spokeswoman at war headquarters in Qatar told Reuters. Another spokesman said the remains of around 200 people had been found in a warehouse.

    He said the Third Regiment of the Royal Artillery had made a preliminary search of a compound on the road between Basra and Zubair before spending the night there.

    The following morning they made a more detailed search and on opening the doors of one warehouse they came across bags full of bones which the spokesman described as "desiccated."

    "They are going to treat it as a war grave. They have sealed the area off and are waiting for forensic teams to go in and see what happened," he said.

    It was not immediately clear who the dead might be or how long they had been there but the spokesman noted that it was unusual for bodies to remain unburied given the Muslim tradition of burying bodies within 24 hours of death.

    "The discovery was made at the 51st Division HQ of the Iraqi regular army and a special team has been asked to investigate this further," the British Ministry of Defense said.

    I can't help but wonder who these people are and why they were left the way they were, particularly in light of the Muslim tradition of burying people within 24 hours of death. Why would someone keep this in a barracks?
  2. 12 Comments

  3. by   Q.

  4. by   nursenoelle
    The first thing that came to my mind, was the symbolism of an improper burial. Perhaps those found were dissentants of the regime ?
  5. by   Mkue
    Yes, I heard about this Helen and was going to post something, glad you did. The article I read said that the bodies were wearing uniforms and didn't appear to be from this conflict.

    I wonder who they are also

    Makeshift coffins reportedly were stacked five deep in a warehouse. In an adjacent building soldiers found catalogues and photographs of the dead. Most had died from gunshot wounds to the head, but others were mutilated beyond recognition, their faces burned and swollen in the faded black and white photographs, according to the Press Association dispatch. http://msnbc.com/news/895976.asp
    Last edit by mkue on Apr 5, '03
  6. by   nursenoelle
    What about the missing from Kuwait? Were they wearing Iraqi uniforms?
  7. by   DebsZoo
    Last edit by DebsZoo on Apr 20, '03
  8. by   Mimi Wheeze
    I had heard on Fox that they were executions, and each victim had a file stating how they were executed.

    It's just horrifying what the people of Iraq have endured...
  9. by   Mkue
    I know Mimi, when I heard this the first thing that came to mind was "Hitler". chilling
  10. by   renerian
    OH God this is horrible........I guess I wondered if they would find things like that........I am sure they suffered......

  11. by   Mkue
    Human remains 'are Iranian soldiers'

    The identity of the remains is the subject of huge debate
    Human remains found in an abandoned Iraqi military base are those of Iranian soldiers killed in the Iran-Iraq war, an Iranian general has said.

    Brigadier-General Mirfeisal Baqerzadeh said the bodies were discovered at the base near al-Zubayr in southern Iraq recently after a joint search operation between the two countries.

    But, he said, the current conflict had meant arrangements to return the bodies to Iran had been put on hold.

    Forensic scientists from the UK are due to examine the skulls and bones, which were discovered wrapped in fragments of military clothing in makeshift coffins, in an attempt to establish their identities

    Evidence found at the scene suggests many of the deaths occurred on the premises.

    Scientists will sift through reams of documents to identify the bodies
    Human rights groups suggest they may even be victims of the 1991 Gulf War.
    Hania Mufti, of Human Rights Watch, told BBC News Online that thousands of executions of people accused of plotting against the Iraqi government had taken place since the conflict.

    The Iraqi regime has refuted all claims that the skeletal remains are those of executed opponents of Saddam Hussein.

    It says the remains are those of Iraqi soldiers killed during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq conflict and had been returned recently from Tehran.

    The area has now been sealed off and is being treated as a mass war grave by UK troops.

    I will be anxious to hear the forensic report.
  12. by   rncountry
    I, too, would really like to hear the forensic report. I imagine it will be some time before it comes out though.
    If they are Iranian's they would have been there for some 15 years or more. Or at least unburied for that length of time. Unless they were POWs who were kept and tortured for some time and then killed. In any case it would be years since their deaths I would think and I can't help but wonder how very odd it is not to bury a dead person with the religious precepts. A way I suppose of ultimately spitting on the enemy.
    Marie, it makes me think of Hitler's death camps as well.
  13. by   rncountry
    Something terrible happened here. Something murderous

    Paul Harris with British forces near Basra
    Sunday April 6, 2003
    The Observer

    The coffins are laid out in neat rows in an abandoned warehouse. In each is a crumpled bag of bones, old and dusty but still recognisably human. In the open end of one sack a skull is buried among the fragments of a skeleton. Its eye sockets are empty. Its teeth are smashed. Beside it, two ribs point out like accusing fingers.
    Something terrible happened here. Something murderous. Something evil.

    The proof lies in a cargo container nearby. Its metal door hangs open and inside are pages and pages of files. Each sheaf of notes contains a picture of a man or woman. Each and every one has been shot in the head. Their wounds are mangled and gaping. Many of them barely looked human any more as the anonymous photographer chronicled their dead faces. It is a horror almost beyond words.

    It is hard not to see the black and white photographs - two for each victim - and want to look away. Yet each was a brother, a father or a son. Or a mother or daughter or sister. Each had a past and hopes for a future. Yet each ended here, in this dry and dusty hall of the dead. There must be at least 200 of them in the plywood coffins roughly hammered together by a hurried carpenter. All of them are in bags, jumbled together in anonymous piles of remains.

    'Whoever they are, they have been desecrated in their death. No one should ever treat the dead like this,' said Sergeant Simon Brain, a veteran of tours in Bosnia who has seen places in the Balkans that look similar to this. 'That is two countries now that I have seen mass graves,' he added with a shake of his head.

    There are signs of torture too. Outside the warehouse stands a wall. It is dotted in the centre with a spray of bullet holes. Nearly all of them are at head height. There is a ditch behind it. If anyone was shot against the wall, their blood would have drained cleanly away. In another warehouse a dozen tiny concrete cells have been built of breeze blocks inside the hangar. In some of them portraits of Saddam Hussein stare from the grey walls. In several an iron pole has been hung from the roof. Dangling from it are rusting metal hooks. They are ideal torture chambers.

    'We can't speculate on what this is until an investigation has been carried out,' a British military spokesman said. But one officer, speaking privately and clearly shocked by what he had seen, was more blunt. 'Just look at those photos,' he said. 'Look at this place. People were being tortured and executed here.'

    The building has now been declared off limits after being discovered by British soldiers of the Third Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery yesterday morning. An investigation will now be launched into exactly who lies in the coffins. War crimes investigators have been alerted to the discovery and the building sealed off and guarded.

    No one will envy the officials who will have to venture inside. The warehouse lies on a sprawling and abandoned military base on the outskirts of Az Zubayr, a small town near Basra. No one lives nearby. It can only be reached by rough and pitted mud causeways that traverse a lunar landscape contaminated by oil leaks from nearby refineries. Multi-coloured slicks soak into the dust of the drained saltmarshes as they bake in the sun. There is no sign of life apart from the stray dogs that swarm over this part of Iraq.

    The base itself is a mess. Most of the buildings have been trashed or looted and destroyed over the previous decade or so of war and sanctions. There are holes in many of the buildings and roofs missing from some of the barrack huts.

    Yet the warehouse of bones was locked and intact. There is little doubt that the bones are several years old. No flesh remains on the long brown leg and arm bones or bits of rib. Only a few tufts of tough black hair lie scattered on the floor, where dogs have tugged at a few of the bags and spilled their grim contents on the unforgiving concrete.

    But there is no doubt the base was inhabited until only a few weeks ago. Among the buildings are Iraqi army shirts still in their bags, new gas mask respirators, signal huts for an artillery unit and maps with military drawings on them. Yet the Iraqi soldiers who were here were literally living beside hundreds of corpses.

    Exactly who they were is so far a mystery. But there are a few clues. Some of the bags are made of plastic and inside them can be seen a few pieces of military equipment. The green belt of the Iraqi army is plainly visible in several of the sacks. Were they soldiers suspected of disloyalty in recent years? Were they Shia rebels from 1991, many of whom were in the army? More than 50,000 Shia were killed by the forces of Saddam Hussein in their doomed revolt. But in most of the bags there is no trace of clothing. Just bones.

    In one sack a single photograph lies. It is a simple ID card. From it a middle-aged man stares out. He has black hair, a long face and a drooping moustache. In life he would perhaps have looked pensive. But lying half covered by his own dusty remains, the man pictured looks sad and forlorn, regretful for the life stolen from him. A splotch of bloodstain on the corner of the card is reminder enough of the brutality of how all his hopes must have died.

    It is hard to stay in the warehouse long. In one corner empty coffins are stacked four or five high. Whoever was doing this grim work was stopped before they finished their task.

    That is a small mercy, but no respite for those already dead.

    Inside the hangar the dusty air hangs close around the clothes and almost makes one retch to think of what is being breathed into the lungs. It is a relief to leave the charnel house. Outside the sun shines. A breeze blows some of the bone dust away. But inside the horrors remain, testimony to the crimes of a regime that, while facing death itself, will leave images of terror that time may never erase.

  14. by   Mkue
    Women too? Helen that is a chilling article by Paul Harris, he is an excellent descriptive writer.

    Can you imagine having the job of guarding those bones. Were they afraid someone was going to steal the bags? The whole thing is just grotesque.