Women in combat

  1. As extra credit in my poli sci class, I am investigating what would happen, especially to Special Forces, if women were allowed in combat roles.

    So out of curiousity, I want to start a poll. Thing is, don't know how so until someone comes along and enlightens me we'll do this the old fashioned way.

    Yes, no or depends? Please explain, especially the depend answer.
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  2. Poll: Should women be allowed in combat?

    • Yes

      81.25% 13
    • No

      0% 0
    • Depends (please explain)

      18.75% 3
    16 Votes
  3. 14 Comments

  4. by   wtbcrna
    Other countries have allowed women in combat units for years.

    The only thing that I strongly believe is that women should have to pass the exact same physical fitness standards if they are going to be in combat roles, no exceptions.

    Currently, the only combat role that I know of that women are allowed to be in this country are as pilots.
  5. by   bethin
    I chose depends. Like wtbcrna, women must meet the same standards as men.

    There was a woman, in the early 1980's who met the goals to become an Army Ranger. I'll see if I can dig up that old file. I have it somewhere...
  6. by   CHATSDALE
    yes
    need to be able to pull own weight,
    there was a women in the firefighter school who sued because she wasn't able to to some of the physical things was required, this is not acceeptable
    when peoples lives depend on you, you have to be qualified physically and mentally
    however, if a woman goes through training and has the smarts to do something it is wrong to deny her
  7. by   leslie :-D
    yep, what chattsy said.
    my dtr just enlisted in the marines.
    i am told that women do not fight in the front lines.
    as a mom, i'm relieved.
    as a woman, i find the attitude, dated...
    emphasizing that women need to be equally strong, physically/mentally.

    sigh....
    when will this end?

    leslie
  8. by   FranEMTnurse
    Leslie,
    If she's a determined, and a strong willed girl, she'll make it through basic training. But I'm not so sure about the women in combat thing. I know you would worry if that was the case, and rightfully so. Some kids join the armed forces to get away from home. It is only after they see what the 6 weeks of basic training entails, that makes some get second thoughts. By then it's too late.
  9. by   bethin
    Quote from earle58
    sigh....
    when will this end?

    leslie
    Unfortunately, not soon:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051101867.html
    Brushing aside opposition from top Army leaders, a House subcommittee approved a measure yesterday that would ban women from serving in certain support units in a bid to keep them out of "direct ground combat."
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/61568

    Women aren't generally as physically strong as men. What about psychologically?
    Women are suffering post-traumatic stress disorder at higher rates than men. We know that women in general feel more negative emotional consequences from physical aggression. Surveys show that women in the military, especially enlisted women, don't want to go into combat. The percentage of women enlistees is going down, and that seems to be tied to their exposure to combat.
    Women are allowed to drive supply trucks. How many times have you heard on the news that supply trucks and other vehicles have been hit by IED's? Aren't these women who are in a non combat role thrust into a combat role to protect themselves and others?

    I think men have more of a problem with this than women. The UK allows women in certain combat roles. Not all, and they are not allowed in SF. As long as women can perform the same standards as men, and there are women who can, I see no reason not to allow them in SF. Yeah, if captured they face rape. But, it is the woman's decision whether to join or not. I think women know the risks and are not blind to the fact that those who are captured are horribly tortured. And if women were allowed in combat and SF, I fully support them being drafted just as men are and having to register on their 18th birthday like all males.
  10. by   bethin
    Quote from earle58
    yep, what chattsy said.
    my dtr just enlisted in the marines.
    i am told that women do not fight in the front lines.
    as a mom, i'm relieved.
    as a woman, i find the attitude, dated...
    emphasizing that women need to be equally strong, physically/mentally.

    sigh....
    when will this end?

    leslie
    Tell her congratulations! The Marines is a hard place for a female and there are few who can handle it. But I bet if she's anything like you, she'll be better than ok.

    Does she know what speciality she wants?
  11. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from Franemtnurse
    Leslie,
    If she's a determined, and a strong willed girl, she'll make it through basic training. But I'm not so sure about the women in combat thing. I know you would worry if that was the case, and rightfully so. Some kids join the armed forces to get away from home. It is only after they see what the 6 weeks of basic training entails, that makes some get second thoughts. By then it's too late.
    tiff goes to pt (physical training) every week.
    her sargeant says she does better than half the guys.
    the other noc, she came home wet and covered in mud.
    her brother even went w/her one week.
    he was hurting for days after, and wouldn't return.
    but tiff is on a natural high.
    i've done everything i can, to warn her of the stressors she'll encounter.
    it just seems to challenge her more.
    she's leaving the end of may, after she completes 1 more semester in college.
    since she dropped out of school and got her ged, they want her to acquire 15 credits in college, which she will earn after this coming semester.

    i am now awaiting the "proud parent of a marine" to put on my bumper. :stone

    leslie
  12. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from bethin
    Tell her congratulations! The Marines is a hard place for a female and there are few who can handle it. But I bet if she's anything like you, she'll be better than ok.

    Does she know what speciality she wants?
    thanks, bethy.
    tiff doesn't know the formal title, but she'll be the one with the credit card, to purchase weapons and other war-related items.
    that's today.
    who knows what she'll want after bootcamp?
    she's always been so adventurous and a thrill-seeker.

    leslie
  13. by   compassion1
    Only if there are no young children to be left home with grand parents or other relatives.
  14. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from compassion1
    Only if there are no young children to be left home with grand parents or other relatives.
    So, only single-orphans should be eligible to fight for our country?
  15. by   zuzi
    Definitelly women could go in combat! I am really interested to see the study an the statstics who show that women are much more predisposed than men to all of posttraumatic, bla, bla...I have some doubt in it. You could try to find some studies to support "the women in combat a good ideea" theorie and if you are really interested about this part you could try to enter in contact with supporters of this ideea and analyze in deep this aspect.

    My subjectiv opinion is totally YES, good selectionated women in combat are a verry good achivement.

    So now depend from woman to woman...kitchen or canteen? LOOOOOOOOOOL

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