Why not close it?

  1. Close the border for humanity's sake
    Phyllis Schlafly
    May 26, 2003

    How many undocumented immigrants will die before the Bush administration realizes that the most humane act it can take is to close our southern border and thus stop smugglers from taking the calculated risk that financial profits outweigh the costs of getting caught?


    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/p...20030526.shtml

    What do you think? Close the border a good idea?
    Would it work?
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  3. by   Mkue
    Civilians Patrolling the Border
    Posted Jan. 20, 2003

    By Kelly Patricia O Meara

    "It was after 9/11," explains Simcox, "that I became aware of the problem of illegal entry over our border. I spent several weeks vacationing out here in our national parks. We were being told by the president that we had to be vigilant, be more aware of what was going on around us. But while I was camping, in the span of two weeks I ran across five paramilitary groups trucking drugs across the border."

    People are coming across in thousands, even as organized military units, and there's nothing we can do about it -- there's no way of knowing if these people illegally crossing our borders are terrorists?


    entire article: www.insightmag.com/news/346960.html

    Immigrants are dying, drugs are smuggled.. terrorists could enter... shouldn't this be a high priority issue in the US?
  4. by   fergus51
    How can we completely close a border like that? I agree it should be a priority, but it's the practicality that's troublesome. A mildly autistic child from Ontario made it across the border unnoticed a few weeks ago. If he can do it, who can't?
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    I drive by a corner where men wait to be picked up to do hard work for less than minimum wage. Clearly most are illegals from Spanish speaking countries.
    To me they should either be consistantly taken back to their country or given some kind of legal worker status. The way it is is silly. Police just make sure no traffic laws are broken knowing these are not people here legally.
    Sometimes they are hospitalized with illness or accident. All I have cared for have been polite.
    I have been told a typical man lives crowded into a cheap apartment. Drinking on non work time is common. Many are religious Christians, Catholic & Protestant.
    If they succeed in bringing their family they raise regular American kids like:
    Army Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto, 18, El Paso, Texas

    Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto was a mechanic's son who was born
    across the border in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico. He grew up in a
    hardscrabble neighborhood east of El Paso, Texas.

    The 18-year-old had become a naturalized citizen several years ago
    and enlisted in the Army shortly after graduating from high school
    last spring.

    His father didn't want him to go.

    "I knew it was a difficult life," Ruben Estrella Sr. But he said the teenager wanted an
    education and aimed for a career in computers or engineering.

    Estrella-Soto, a member of the 507th Maintenance Company, was killed after the
    his convoy was ambushed last month in Iraq.

    The Rev. Edward Roden-Lucero, pastor of San Juan Diego Blessed Catholic Church
    in El Paso, said the family was puzzled as to how their son ended up in danger so
    quickly. "They're all very, very sad. They're all taking it very hard," he said.
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on May 26, '03
  6. by   Mkue
    Originally posted by spacenurse
    To me they should either be consistantly taken back to their country or given some kind of legal worker status. The way it is is silly.
    I agree.
  7. by   Mkue
    fergus51 I also agree with you that it wouldn't be practical to close it. At least not completely.
  8. by   nursenoelle
    We need to be waayyyy more selective about who we let in this country. The INS is a joke, it is amazing to me how venerable we have become as a country because of inadequate regulation.
  9. by   rncountry
    Originally posted by spacenurse
    I drive by a corner where men wait to be picked up to do hard work for less than minimum wage. Clearly most are illegals from Spanish speaking countries.
    To me they should either be consistantly taken back to their country or given some kind of legal worker status. The way it is is silly. Police just make sure no traffic laws are broken knowing these are not people here legally.
    Sometimes they are hospitalized with illness or accident. All I have cared for have been polite.
    I have been told a typical man lives crowded into a cheap apartment. Drinking on non work time is common. Many are religious Christians, Catholic & Protestant.
    If they succeed in bringing their family they raise regular American kids like:
    Army Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto, 18, El Paso, Texas

    Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto was a mechanic's son who was born
    across the border in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico. He grew up in a
    hardscrabble neighborhood east of El Paso, Texas.

    The 18-year-old had become a naturalized citizen several years ago
    and enlisted in the Army shortly after graduating from high school
    last spring.

    His father didn't want him to go.

    "I knew it was a difficult life," Ruben Estrella Sr. But he said the teenager wanted an
    education and aimed for a career in computers or engineering.

    Estrella-Soto, a member of the 507th Maintenance Company, was killed after the
    his convoy was ambushed last month in Iraq.

    The Rev. Edward Roden-Lucero, pastor of San Juan Diego Blessed Catholic Church
    in El Paso, said the family was puzzled as to how their son ended up in danger so
    quickly. "They're all very, very sad. They're all taking it very hard," he said.
    UM, maybe because he went into the military? Don't tell me that people join the military and they or their families do not get what they may potentially be doing. People die in war, and I don't care who it that it is, it is always sad even for those that are not their family. Personally I believe this young man gave something back to the country who gave to him and his family. May God bless his soul as well as the others who gave the ultimate.
  10. by   P_RN
    Where I worked had a huge international community because of the University and also because of Ft. Jackson near by.

    There was a girl (woman) who came to work on our floor as a tech. She had been an LPN in her country. Every day in and day out she was hateful. She said she hated the USA, she hated Americans but wanted to become a US citizen because then she could go work in Saudi and get paid as an American and not as a Palestinian. That was just one couple. They were here legally. I worry all the time how many of these angry people are really lying in wait?

    Where I live now there are many Hispanics, mostly from Guatemala . They are taking the jobs that no one else wants. But one thing I have found is that they all are courteous and almost all are trying very hard to learn English.

    My Mother's parents were immigrants, so I guess I'm second generation American. I do know my grandparents loved this country with all their hearts. They were proud to be Americans.

    I know Im rambling. Thanks for allowing me to "verbalize."
  11. by   rncountry
    You know I had to come back to this thread and actually answer the original question posed. Why not close the border. First of all because Phyllis Schlafly thinks it must be a good idea. Since her idea of what constitues a good wife and a good woman offends me to no end, I pretty much consider anything she thinks is a good idea to be a bad idea.
    Secondly this country has been a country of immigrants from the beginning, and while there are those who seriously believe that closing the border to be good for the country, I believe it would be a disaster. Look through the history of this country and see the good that immigrants have brought to us for the good of all, time and time again. It invigorates the country. Punish those that need punishment, do not punish all. Be alert to those that can possibly harm us as a nation, as a society, but do not keep everyone out, they may have much to offer us.
    Third. It is not up to us to not allow immigrants to take a risk. They have a mind of their own and can choose to do what they know can potentially harm them. As far as drug runners, as long as there are good people out there unwilling to part with their money for the good of all this is what you will get. The govn't can only do so much if we as a society are not willing to pay for our own upkeep.
    My dad's people came here in 1703 and mom's in 1659. And we were still immigrants anyway.
  12. by   Mkue
    Is our Government responsible for the immigrants who died in the trailer after crossing the border? I don't think so, after reading your post Helen, I realize now that they entered at their own risk, we weren't responsible for the driver who did not check to see how many he was transporting or concern for their welfare. He was probably only concerned about the $ he was getting for the job.

    It's not humanly possible to patrol a border that size. Drugs will enter our country one way or another. Terrorists will do the same.
  13. by   rncountry
    You know what really pissed me off about that incident? The children. It is one thing to risk yourself, but to risk your children is horrid. When I listened on NPR about this and the first one to die was a 6 or 7 year old child all I could think about was my own little 7 year old sufficating. And then I cried.
    The penalites for drug running, supporting terrorism or bringing illegals in, particularly in this manner should be so stiff that the perpetrators should never again see the light of day. Never.
  14. by   VickyRN
    It really makes you think, how much WE have to be thankful for. Illegal immigrants are willing to risk everything, their lives, their children's lives, to come here, to have what we so casually take for granted. What has made them so desperate? Their lives must really be horrible in their native countries. As for our southern AND northern borders I agree--they really need to be made more secure. How to do this or if it is even possible (over thousands of miles)--I don't know.

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