Whose kids are they?

  1. So, I read this article and was shocked . . . . but I shouldn't be.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/Nation/Archiv...20051107a.html

    "We also hold," Reinhardt wrote, "that parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."


    Really? I can't keep my 1st grader from participating in a survey about how many times he touches his private parts because the school didn't tell parents about the sex part of the survey and because I have no rights over what the school does?

    Really?

    steph
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  3. by   jnette
    Quote from stevielynn
    So, I read this article and was shocked . . . . but I shouldn't be.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/Nation/Archiv...20051107a.html

    "We also hold," Reinhardt wrote, "that parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."


    Really? I can't keep my 1st grader from participating in a survey about how many times he touches his private parts because the school didn't tell parents about the sex part of the survey and because I have no rights over what the school does?

    Really?

    steph
    So where have you been, Steph? It's been all voer the news for the past several weeks.

    Now you know why so many choose to homeschool. If I had kids in school these days, I would more than likely do the same.
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from jnette
    So where have you been, Steph? It's been all voer the news for the past several weeks.

    Now you know why so many choose to homeschool. If I had kids in school these days, I would more than likely do the same.
    I guess I've been busy with family and work . . . .one of the negatives about not watching much tv news. And I read the paper every morning and didn't see this.

    Gosh, it just makes me so mad that someone else can think they have more rights when it comes to my own children than I have.

    And to what purpose is a survey that asks 1st graders sexual questions.

    Kids just do not have a chance to be kids much anymore.

    steph
  5. by   Jessy_RN
    Not a parent, but share the same view as Steph. Don't like the idea that you cannot opt out of that survey at all.
  6. by   Tweety
    I think the parents should have been told this was a sex survey and not just a "pyschological" survey. Perhaps many would not have given their consent.

    But I have to agree that it's would open too much of a can of worms to have parent dictate what is an isn't part of a public education. Either you trust the education or you educate them yourself either at home or private schools. Parents do have rights and choices in how their kids are educated.
  7. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from Tweety

    But I have to agree that it's would open too much of a can of worms to have parent dictate what is an isn't part of a public education. Either you trust the education or you educate them yourself either at home or private schools. Parents do have rights and choices in how their kids are educated.

    And Tweety, that is exactly, EXACTLY what the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stated.

    By the way, this article is misleading. It claimed that "court's opinion [granted] public schools permission to expose elementary school-age children to sexually explicit materials without their parents' knowledge or informed consent" and that "they were trying to strip parents of their authority". In fact, it did no such thing. Why must they lie? The court merely stated that the parent's lawsuit had no constitutional basis. The parents in this case could have asked more about the survey before giving their permission or they could have simply opted out. I opt my kids out of things all the time especially if the value of it is not clear to me. I read a little more about the survey and it was incredibly stupid, so I can understand the parents' anger but the law needs to be changed if they want to prevent this from happening again.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Jnette said it well...This is one of the reasons I homeschool. NO ONE is telling ME what surveys my kids will participate in----no teaching to a test....and NO undue influence over my kids by the PS systems


    Too bad, many more have neither desire nor means to send kids to private schooling or HS. It's not for everyone, but this is why I do what I do.....
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from Tweety
    I think the parents should have been told this was a sex survey and not just a "pyschological" survey. Perhaps many would not have given their consent.

    But I have to agree that it's would open too much of a can of worms to have parent dictate what is an isn't part of a public education. Either you trust the education or you educate them yourself either at home or private schools. Parents do have rights and choices in how their kids are educated.
    Yep. And I choose the latter. I wish more did.
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    And Tweety, that is exactly, EXACTLY what the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stated.

    By the way, this article is misleading. It claimed that "court's opinion [granted] public schools permission to expose elementary school-age children to sexually explicit materials without their parents' knowledge or informed consent" and that "they were trying to strip parents of their authority". In fact, it did no such thing. Why must they lie? The court merely stated that the parent's lawsuit had no constitutional basis. The parents in this case could have asked more about the survey before giving their permission or they could have simply opted out. I opt my kids out of things all the time especially if the value of it is not clear to me. I read a little more about the survey and it was incredibly stupid, so I can understand the parents' anger but the law needs to be changed if they want to prevent this from happening again.
    Sharon - the parents were not told about the sexual part of the survey so they couldn't opt out for sexual content - they didn't know about it . . . . . .

    Do parents need to have ESP?

    If, as you say, we need to trust the school system, why would we even ask about sexual content of a survey that the school told us about but forgot the sexual part? They intentionally left that part out.

    How can you trust a school system that does that?

    steph
  11. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from stevielynn
    Sharon - the parents were not told about the sexual part of the survey so they couldn't opt out for sexual content - they didn't know about it . . . . . .

    Do parents need to have ESP?

    If, as you say, we need to trust the school system, why would we even ask about sexual content of a survey that the school told us about but forgot the sexual part? They intentionally left that part out.

    How can you trust a school system that does that?

    steph

    I didn't say we need to trust the school system. I didn't say that at all, that's my point. I don't. If I had received notice about some type of survey, I would have either dug deeper or not given my permission for my child to participate. I have done that before and I will again. When I am dealing with the schools and my kids' teachers, I take a very critical view of anything they do that doesn't fall into the 3 R's.
  12. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    I didn't say we need to trust the school system. I didn't say that at all, that's my point. I don't. If I had received notice about some type of survey, I would have either dug deeper or not given my permission for my child to participate. I have done that before and I will again. When I am dealing with the schools and my kids' teachers, I take a very critical view of anything they do that doesn't fall into the 3 R's.
    Whew . . . glad to hear that.

    By the way, I love cottage cheese but it had to be Knudsen in the yellow and white container. It is dryer than the other blechy cottage cheese. I take cottage cheese with me to work for a 5 a.m snack after finishing assessments on my patients. Or a protein bar.

    steph
  13. by   smk1
    as next fall and kindergarten approaches, I am getting more and more nervous. Boy if i can find a way to pay for it i would send her to private school or hire an in home private tutor. Realistically though, I am starting the RN program in the spring and will have no time or money to do either...
  14. by   Spidey's mom


    "We also hold," Reinhardt wrote, "that parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."


    I think what bothers me is the snotty attitude above . . . . .

    Ummmm, the parents are the taxpayers who pay the salaries of the employees of the public schools and we DO have a right to have a say.

    steph

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