where is the outrage today?

  1. I saw a news conference with Dubya this a.m. in which he asked Americans to donate money to the victims of the tsunami-he said that we tend to sometimes donate things like blankets and clothes and that in HIS opinion "money" is more important at this point.I seem to remember a big brou ha ha not so very long ago when Theresa Heinz Kerry said much the same same thing..If I had all day to sit here and search I would bump that particular thread but I don't....It's so funny how we can all put our own spin on any comment to support our own views,isn't it?
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  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I did not hear this said-- but I will say, anything people feel the heart to donate should be appreciated, especially by our own leaders. Blankets, food,clothing, medicine and manpower are great needs, not just cash. I am really growing disgusted with the "who is doing better game" being played thoughout the country and the world-----so soon after the worst natural disaster to hit our planet in modern times. Why are we bickering? What the hell is wrong with people? From the UN to our own citizens, I am saddened by how we are behaving. Just do what we can........nothing is ever going to be "enough in the wake of this thing. And remember, Cholera, typhoid and malaria will already be doing THEIR thing ----!
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Dec 29, '04
  4. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    The reason cash is preferred is because it can be deposited, wire transferred and received within moments.

    Blankets, food, medicines, etc. are bulky and have to be shipped, which takes time and costs money to pay for the planes, etc.

    Unless the supplies are not available anywhere over there, which is usually not the case.

    It is even cheaper to ship from a place nearer your destination than from all the way over here.

    One might argue that money can be diverted; but remember, so can everything else. (If Tony Soprano has taught me anything....)
  5. by   eltrip
    As I recall, it was the Red Cross suggesting donations of cash as opposed to actual items due to many of the same reasons noted by Chris at Lucas.

    Of course, my recollection could be faulty...but since I wasn't listening much to politicians this summer (already burnt out from election rhetoric), I doubt that I would've heard this from our President.
  6. by   Q.
    Quote from ktwlpn
    .I seem to remember a big brou ha ha not so very long ago when Theresa Heinz Kerry said much the same same thing..
    Actually I thought THK's comments were that water should be sent first as opposed to clothing, hence the remark: "Let them go naked."
  7. by   ktwlpn
    Quote from eltrip
    As I recall, it was the Red Cross suggesting donations of cash as opposed to actual items due to many of the same reasons noted by Chris at Lucas.

    Of course, my recollection could be faulty...but since I wasn't listening much to politicians this summer (already burnt out from election rhetoric), I doubt that I would've heard this from our President.
    Yeah well-you would be wrong-I heard him say this live on CNN this am.......He stated money was the most urgent need at this point..I was comparing this to the uproar made over Heinz Kerry's remarks calling for the same things just before the election..I can't remember the exact context of her remarks-something along those lines....She was opining what she thought was the most immediate need to survivors of some disastor and stated that they could survive naked but needed water more urgently.Her remarks were considered crude and tactless....
  8. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    In political debates, about domestic issues, the idea of giving aid "in kind" (stuff) or in cash (moolah) has more to do with whether you are giving a hand up or a hand out.

    There are no clear cut lines. But lots of opinions.

    I can tell you that in years of giving aid as a volunteer in various organizations, "in kind" was always much more productive in terms of helping people get up and on their own feet, and it left them happy. The need was relieved without a lot of side effects, if you will.

    Helping with cash (I count paying utility bills for people as "in kind") creates an attitude of entitlement and resentment. I'm not sure why. But I know it happens, even with people who are, for example, hardworking but on temporary disability or workers comp. It's a weird little dynamic.

    However, all bets are off with extreme disasters. Whatever you can throw at it, let it be the most efficient use of the resources available, and the fastest possible in order to minimize the "fallout" of delay.

    This is as close as I will get to offering my opinion, at least for the moment.

    G'day, all!
  9. by   DutchgirlRN
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    However, all bets are off with extreme disasters. Whatever you can throw at it, let it be the most efficient use of the resources available, and the fastest possible in order to minimize the "fallout" of delay.
    This is as close as I will get to offering my opinion, at least for the moment.
    G'day, all!
    I whole-heartedly agree. I'm the last person to donate to every charity that comes along. I work hard for my money and we all know how much of that money actually goes where it is supposed to and lord knows we need it here !
    As you say all bets are off with such a enormous disaster. If each person sitting in front of their computer today donated only $1.00 think what immediate relief it could bring many of the victims. I wish I could be there to donate my time. Think of all the vaccinations that are being given as we speak to help the survivors from dying from diseases that now threaten those already devastated areas. Think of what clean water means to these people. We are sitting in warm houses, enjoying our computers, we all had nice showers this morning and clean clothes to put on, we have been drinking coffee, tea, or clean water. I don't want anyone to feel guilty because we have what we have because we worked for it, but lets face it we are blessed no matter what religion you do or don't believe in. What's one measly dollar to each of us? http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Q.
    Actually I thought THK's comments were that water should be sent first as opposed to clothing, hence the remark: "Let them go naked."
    Q is right . . . it was the "naked" comment that got everyone in an uproar.

    As I recall, no one had a problem with the premise of sending water instead of clothing and blankets. It was just the WAY she went about saying it.

    So, there is no real comparison with what the president asked of us. This is a non-issue for me.

    And I have no problem with him asking us to send money instead.

    steph
  11. by   fergus51
    I didn't have a problem when THK said it, and I don't have a problem with Bush saying it (no matter what language they choose). It only makes sense to ask for what is most needed during a crisis and neither of them said anything they should be ashamed of. I applaud the president for encouraging charity for those who are suffering horribly.
  12. by   actioncat
    No, no , no.

    "anything" is not better than nothing. Relief groups need cash because it is too costly to transport donated items overseas and the relief organization has to then deal with disposing the donated items. I also read that they prefer to buy things in the region affected because it helps the local economy.
  13. by   DutchgirlRN
    Quote from actioncat
    "anything" is not better than nothing. Relief groups need cash because it is too costly to transport donated items overseas and the relief organization has to then deal with disposing the donated items. I also read that they prefer to buy things in the region affected because it helps the local economy.
    Now here's a quote worth repeating !
  14. by   eltrip
    Quote from ktwlpn
    Yeah well-you would be wrong-I heard him say this live on CNN this am.......He stated money was the most urgent need at this point..I was comparing this to the uproar made over Heinz Kerry's remarks calling for the same things just before the election..I can't remember the exact context of her remarks-something along those lines....She was opining what she thought was the most immediate need to survivors of some disastor and stated that they could survive naked but needed water more urgently.Her remarks were considered crude and tactless....
    Forgive me, I failed to clarify as to when I heard the remark about sending cash. It was during the summer when I recall having heard it.

    I have no doubt that you heard the president make his statement today about sending money.

    I'll be sending my check as soon as our paychecks are deposited.

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